Cory Maye, another drug war victim
 

Summary of case:
young man living with his 2 year old daughter lives in a duplex. the other unit is rented by a pot dealer. Cops raid in the middle of the night, breaking into BOTH units. Cory Maye fears for his life and shoots the first cop that come into his bedroom. Kills cop. As soon as he hears them yell "police!" he drops his weapon and surrenders.

He's convicted and sentenced to death for this "crime". DEATH.

Whole rundown here:
http://www.theagitator.com/archives/cat_cory_maye.php

So, apparently, if you are woken up in the middle of the night by men busting into your home, and you fear for you life and shoot one of them, and it turns out it's the just cops conducting a paramilitary raid on the WRONG address without warning and without your name even on a warrant, it is YOU who are guilty and must die for your crimes.

If you're not furious about the drug war yet, you're just ignorant.

natedogg

PS: this the main reason I oppose the death penalty. Not that it's necessarily wrong to kill people who deserve to die but rather we are fools, fools to trust that the state will use this power wisely.

Re: Cory Maye, another drug war victim
 

That's [censored] up.
Really messed up man.
I'm for certain gun controls, but if someone bursts into your bedroom without warning and you shoot the fjucker, its his damn fault, not yours.

Re: Cory Maye, another drug war victim
 

Hmmm. A secondary effect that is also tragic is that this can be used by the anti-gun nuts to show that gunowners are cop killers. What a [censored] affair....

Re: Cory Maye, another drug war victim
 

Well, if there's a silver lining in this horrible story, at least the cop was killed.

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If you're not furious about the drug war yet, you're just ignorant.


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So if they had burst into the wrong apartment after getting a lead to a mass murderer who lived next door, you would say "If you're not furious about the anti-murder war yet, you're just ignorant."?

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Well, if there's a silver lining in this horrible story, at least the cop was killed.

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You're scum.

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Well, if there's a silver lining in this horrible story, at least the cop was killed.

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You're scum.

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Why?

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There are dozens of victims here. The cop, the guy, his daughter, his family, the cops family etc. All over a bogus war against the american people.


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If you're not furious about the drug war yet, you're just ignorant.


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So if they had burst into the wrong apartment after getting a lead to a mass murderer who lived next door, you would say "If you're not furious about the anti-murder war yet, you're just ignorant."?

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We are talking about a natural plant here, not someone breaking a commandment.

You are the worst agruer on the forum.

Re: Cory Maye, another drug war victim
 

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2005/12...y1123405.shtml

a better article

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Well, if there's a silver lining in this horrible story, at least the cop was killed.

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You're scum.

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Why?

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Because you find redemptive value in the loss of a human life. I cannot even begin to fathom your justification for this, so I'll chalk it up to simple stupidity, or a desire to say outrageous things in order to gain attention. Pathetic people do things like that all the time.

Are you saying that he deserved to die because of his mistake or because he was an officer? Either is despicable. If you're saying it was because of his mistake, then I hope you're placed in a similar situation one day and shown mercy so that you can actually realize how ignorant you are. If you're saying it's because he was a police officer (which I'll assume is the case, given your self-imposed "anarchocapitalist" title), then I can only hope that one day, an officer lays his life on the line to save someone that you care about.

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Well, if there's a silver lining in this horrible story, at least the cop was killed.

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You're scum.

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Why?

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Because you find redemptive value in the loss of a human life. I cannot even begin to fathom your justification for this, so I'll chalk it up to simple stupidity, or a desire to say outrageous things in order to gain attention. Pathetic people do things like that all the time.

Are you saying that he deserved to die because of his mistake or because he was an officer? Either is despicable. If you're saying it was because of his mistake, then I hope you're placed in a similar situation one day and shown mercy so that you can actually realize how ignorant you are. If you're saying it's because he was a police officer (which I'll assume is the case, given your self-imposed "anarchocapitalist" title), then I can only hope that one day, an officer lays his life on the line to save someone that you care about.

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How was he "laying his life on the line to save someone" ? Hint: He wasn't.

He was a jackbooted thug engaged in a pre-dawn raid, probably dressed head to toe in black and carrying a machine gun, on the home of an American who he believed had committed the crime of . . . commerce. He and his ilk kill thousands of people every year and destroy hundreds of thousands of lives. Drug use would have to exceed 100% for the harm from drugs to match the harm from the drug war.

I feel sad for the family of the police officer. I even feel sad that he threw his life away in the pursuit of evil. But he should have picked a better job.

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How was he "laying his life on the line to save someone" ? Hint: He wasn't.

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When did I say this particular officer did? Hint: I didn't. I implied that police officers do this on a regular basis, without regard to the things said by idiots like you.

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I feel sad for the family of the police officer. I even feel sad that he threw his life away in the pursuit of evil. But he should have picked a better job.

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PLEASE reconcile the above with the statement below.

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Well, if there's a silver lining in this horrible story, at least the cop was killed.

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We are talking about a natural plant here, not someone breaking a commandment.

You are the worst agruer on the forum.

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You confuse commandments with crimes.

You confuse plants with crimes.

Both murder and drugs ruin people's lives, in different ways and to different degrees. Crimes are crimes for a reason. In time, as you mature, you will understand this.

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We are talking about a natural plant here, not someone breaking a commandment.

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You confuse commandments with crimes.

You confuse plants with crimes.

Both murder and drugs ruin people's lives, in different ways and to different degrees. Crimes are crimes for a reason. In time, as you mature, you will understand this.

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"Crimes are crimes for a reason" is one of the dumbest generalizations I've ever heard. I guess we better stop questioning laws then, right?

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If you're not furious about the drug war yet, you're just ignorant.


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And if the police had been raiding a child porn ring, you would feel differently?

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How was he "laying his life on the line to save someone" ? Hint: He wasn't.

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When did I say this particular officer did? Hint: I didn't. I implied that police officers do this on a regular basis, without regard to the things said by idiots like you.

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Well, if you're going to get all pissy, let's just destroy your argument from the top down. First you provide two alternatives for why I would think it's a good thing that the cop was killed. A) He made a mistake (storming into the wrong serf's house), or B) He was a police officer. I thought my response would make it clear that neither of these two options is the correct one, but I guess I have to spell it out. It's a good thing he was killed because he was a thug engaged in a war of oppression against the very people he is supposed to "serve and protect."

Furthermore, what was the point of hoping that a police officer "lays his life on the line to save someone I love" if it is not part of your argument that that was what the officer was doing? If it had been a firefighter who was shot while attempting to mug someone, and I said that was a just outcome, would you have said "I hope a firefighter one day lays his life on the line for you" or something? What would that have to do with the firefighter's actions in that particular case? What does the fact that other police officers lay their lives on the line to protect citizens have to do with police officers who attack citizens?

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I feel sad for the family of the police officer. I even feel sad that he threw his life away in the pursuit of evil. But he should have picked a better job.

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PLEASE reconcile the above with the statement below.

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Well, if there's a silver lining in this horrible story, at least the cop was killed.

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I feel sorry for him. He probably never realized that he was one of the bad guys. He probably thought he was one of the good guys, doing something noble. But he was wrong. He was a bad guy, engaged in an evil business. And it is a good thing when bad guys, by my definition those who violently aggress against others, are killed. One less violent aggressor in the world.

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"Crimes are crimes for a reason" is one of the dumbest generalizations I've ever heard. I guess we better stop questioning laws then, right?

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Of course we can question our laws. In fact these laws have often been questioned, and the voters, who make the decisions, have repeatedly sent legislators who support the criminalization of harmful drugs.

Crimes are crimes because the people throuogh their representatives want them to be crimes. Go ahead and call that a generalization, but the American people want drugs criminalized.

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"Crimes are crimes for a reason" is one of the dumbest generalizations I've ever heard. I guess we better stop questioning laws then, right?

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Of course we can question our laws. In fact these laws have often been questioned, and the voters, who make the decisions, have repeatedly sent legislators who support the criminalization of harmful drugs.

Crimes are crimes because the people throuogh their representatives want them to be crimes. Go ahead and call that a generalization, but the American people want drugs criminalized.

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So your "reason" is popular support? What about laws that don't have popular support? And does popular support always justify a law that may be inefficien, corrupt, or unjust in practice?

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If you're not furious about the drug war yet, you're just ignorant.


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And if the police had been raiding a child porn ring, you would feel differently?

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Children are not competent to contract. They are victims in such an undertaking, by definition. There is nothing analogous about the two situations.

A better analogy would be, "What if the police were raiding a liquor store," or "What if the police were raiding a brothel," or "What if the police were raiding a card room."

Re: Cory Maye, another drug war victim
 

This page disagrees with your account of the story:
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I don't knwo enough about this case to separate fact from fiction, but it appears that there is much more gray area to this than you are giving it credit for. If it were so obvious that this guy was acting in reasonable self-defense, why would he have been convicted? Yeah, juries are dumb sometimes, but I'm not ready to jump to the conclusion that this guy is compeltely innocent.

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This page disagrees with your account of the story:
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I don't knwo enough about this case to separate fact from fiction, but it appears that there is much more gray area to this than you are giving it credit for. If it were so obvious that this guy was acting in reasonable self-defense, why would he have been convicted? Yeah, juries are dumb sometimes, but I'm not ready to jump to the conclusion that this guy is compeltely innocent.

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Here's a very thorough account:

http://hammeroftruth.com/2005/12/13/...ory-maye-wiki/

By no means should Maye have been sentenced to death. It's a [censored] tragedy.

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Crimes are crimes because the people throuogh their representatives want them to be crimes. Go ahead and call that a generalization, but the American people want drugs criminalized.

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If people want weed to be illegal, then why does the federal government literally spend hundreds of millions of dollars to buy propaganda on televison to tell us how bad it is.

Remember the superbowl commercial linking pot to terrorism? Or the one where the baby drowned because her babysitter was smoking up?

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He was a jackbooted thug engaged in a pre-dawn raid, probably dressed head to toe in black and carrying a machine gun

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He was in standard uniform. He did not have his gun drawn. The police unit loudly announced their presence and knocked on the door repeatedly before knocking it down.

Maye had been awoken and prepared himself. He was waiting, on the floor, in the dark, with his gun drawn at the door, and opened fire immediately as the door was opened.

The investigation, though sloppy, concluded that this was a nonviolent marijuana dealer (hence why Officer Jones' gun was not drawn upon entry).

Please get a clue before running your mouth off on a dead police officer.

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If people want weed to be illegal, then why does the federal government literally spend hundreds of millions of dollars to buy propaganda on televison to tell us how bad it is.


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It couldn't possibly be because they want to make people aware of the dangers of drugs and curb drug use. No. It couldn't possibly be that. It must be something else.

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The ads completely distort and LIE about the effects in a sensational way.

How many federally funded ads have you seen about cigarettes? Weed has never killed anyone. Cigarettes have killed millions, including two of my uncles, so far.

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It couldn't possibly be because they want to make people aware of the dangers of drugs and curb drug use. No. It couldn't possibly be that. It must be something else.

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Please get a clue before running your mouth off on a dead police officer.

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Officer Jones had no narcotics task force training.

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It is too bad that the pro-druggies have to lie and distort a story to make it look like the police are bad and drugs are good. I guess they can win the debate by just being truthful.

It is clear, now that the facts are out, that this guy was a cold blooded cop killer.

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It is too bad that the pro-druggies have to lie and distort a story to make it look like the police are bad and drugs are good. I guess they can win the debate by just being truthful.

It is clear, now that the facts are out, that this guy was a cold blooded cop killer.

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What aspects of the case makes you think this? This has nothing to do with being opposed to the drug war, though it's unfortunate that the drug war led to the unnecessary ending of two lives. This is a matter of justice and whether or not Maye deserves to die for defending himself.

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He was a jackbooted thug engaged in a pre-dawn raid, probably dressed head to toe in black and carrying a machine gun

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He was in standard uniform. He did not have his gun drawn. The police unit loudly announced their presence and knocked on the door repeatedly before knocking it down.

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Oh, I guess that makes it ok then! Knocking on the door before breaking it down. I'll have to remember that one if I ever have to invade someone's home.

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Maye had been awoken and prepared himself. He was waiting, on the floor, in the dark, with his gun drawn at the door, and opened fire immediately as the door was opened.

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Broken down, you mean. And if this was the case, can you explain this sequence of events? There's a loud knock at your door, several in fact, accompanied by people loudly proclaiming they are the police, and a person who is not a criminal not only doesn't answer the door, he waits until the door is broken down so that he can shoot precisely one cop before surrendering? Perhaps this only makes sense when you realize that the same thugs in charge of breaking down the doors in the middle of the night then get to write the reports of what happened.

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The investigation, though sloppy, concluded that this was a nonviolent marijuana dealer (hence why Officer Jones' gun was not drawn upon entry).

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Precisely why they shouldn't have been breaking down doors at all, and precisely why it doesn't bother me one bit that the pre-dawn raiding door-breaking-down thug got what he deserved.

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Please get a clue before running your mouth off on a dead police officer.

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You can at least content yourself with the knowledge that Officer Jones' death must be somehow good for the economy. After wall, it is a drug war.

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If people want weed to be illegal, then why does the federal government literally spend hundreds of millions of dollars to buy propaganda on televison to tell us how bad it is.


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It couldn't possibly be because they want to make people aware of the dangers of drugs and curb drug use. No. It couldn't possibly be that. It must be something else.

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We're told that the politicians are elected because the populace already knows and believes this. What then is the point of propaganda?

This reminds me of the advertising for food stamps and the post office. We're stuck with the bill, paying for "services" and programs that nobody wants. So instead of getting rid of the programs, they advertise for them instead. Brilliant.

Re: Cory Maye, another drug war victim
 

This is my favorite part:

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According to Maye's first attorney, two jurors told her after trial that Maye was convicted because (1) jurors resented Maye's attorney for suggesting in her closing argument that God would remember whether or not they'd shown Maye mercy when it came time for their judgment day, and (2) the didn't like Maye's upbringing -- they found him to be spoiled and disrespectful.

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It just reinforces the theory that the only people who serve on juries are those who are too stupid to get out of doing so in the first place.

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it doesn't bother me one bit that the pre-dawn raiding door-breaking-down thug got what he deserved.

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Borodog, this is a disgusting statement. I can't believe I apologized for saying you're like an ignorant 16 year-old in that other thread. (emphasis Borodog's)

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it doesn't bother me one bit that the pre-dawn raiding door-breaking-down thug got what he deserved.

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Borodog, this is a disgusting statement. I can't believe I apologized for saying you're like an ignorant 16 year-old in that other thread. (emphasis Borodog's)

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Given what you know my politics to be, what other morally and ethically consistent position am I supposed to take with regards to violent aggressors in government employ?

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it doesn't bother me one bit that the pre-dawn raiding door-breaking-down thug got what he deserved.

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Borodog, this is a disgusting statement. I can't believe I apologized for saying you're like an ignorant 16 year-old in that other thread. (emphasis Borodog's)

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Given what you know my politics to be, what other morally and ethically consistent position am I supposed to take with regards to violent aggressors in government employ?

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The fact that a statement like that is consistent with your morals is pretty messed up.

Guy got killed for doing his job.
And don't give me the "get a better job" crap. Some people have to work to support themselves and their family and that's not gonna change soon. For all we know the police were hiring and he needed a good job with benefits. Does he deserve to die for that? Not everyone can throw away professorships based on some delusional 16-y.o.-that-hates his-parents ideal of anarchocapitalism like you.

Sorry for the hostility but I can't believe your sickening statements in this thread.

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Guy got killed for doing his job.
And don't give me the "get a better job" crap. Some people have to work to support themselves and their family and that's not gonna change soon. For all we know the police were hiring and he needed a good job with benefits. Does he deserve to die for that?

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He was the son of the Chief. I doubt he had to compete for the job. Someone more qualified probobly should have had it.

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Guy got killed for doing his job.
And don't give me the "get a better job" crap. Some people have to work to support themselves and their family and that's not gonna change soon. For all we know the police were hiring and he needed a good job with benefits. Does he deserve to die for that?

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He was the son of the Chief. I doubt he had to compete for the job. Someone more qualified probobly should have had it.

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I think you missed the point.

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I think you missed the point.

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Which was what? It's OK to be a thug if you have bills to pay?

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I think you missed the point.

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Which was what? It's OK to be a thug if you have bills to pay?

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As opposed to "I should be able to kill you if I feel you're infringing on the rights I made up?"

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I think you missed the point.

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Which was what? It's OK to be a thug if you have bills to pay?

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As opposed to "I should be able to kill you if I feel you're infringing on the rights I made up?"

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He thought he was the victim of a home invasion. I guess you don't believe in the right to privacy?

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I think you missed the point.

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Which was what? It's OK to be a thug if you have bills to pay?

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As opposed to "I should be able to kill you if I feel you're infringing on the rights I made up?"

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He thought he was the victim of a home invasion. I guess you don't believe in the right to privacy?

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You definitely missed the point.
I'm criticizing Borodog's reaction to it. Both the cop's death and conviction of Maye were tragic.