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Hi. New poster here with question on a hand I had recently. This is from Pacific so I will be trying to do the hand manually. Only read on villian is that he is playing pretty solid compared to the rest of the table. On a previous hand he bet into a pre-flop raiser from the BB with two pair.

Pacific Poker .25/50 7 Handed

Hero is UTG +1 with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls. Hero Raises. 3 Folds. SB calls. BB calls. UTG calls.

Flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Villian bets. <font color="red"> </font> BB folds. UTG calls. Hero Raises. <font color="red"> </font> Villian Raises. <font color="red"> </font> UTG calls. Hero? <font color="red"> </font>

Should I cap this flop against only three remaining opponents? Thought I may be up against Ace rag or a set from villian. Thanks for any input, these forums have helped alot since I found them.

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Yes. Cap. You make money from every bet that goes into the pot.

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Yes. Cap. You make money from every bet that goes into the pot.

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I'd say raise it up, but I'm newish too. I *know* these ranges aren't all encompassing, but the point is you can't precisely put the villain on 66 or 22. There's at least a few other hands in there, which gives you the edge. Against just 66 and 22, you still have just under 30% (ish) equity.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

3,268,860 games 0.891 secs 3,668,754 games/sec

Board: Ad 2s 6s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 74.7941 % 73.29% 01.50% { AsQs }
Hand 2: 13.3175 % 13.31% 00.01% { 99-77, 6c6d, 22, QJs, JTs, Ts9s }
Hand 3: 11.8885 % 10.38% 01.51% { 22+, A8s+, KJs+, QJs, ATo+, KQo, JTo }

Re: New poster. Flop question
 

I definitely cap the flop here--you have enough equity here to cap the nut flush draw. Add the made pair with Q kicker and you should definitely cap.

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Easiest cap ever. Top Pair with Q kicker, I think you are good already alot of the times. Cap it.

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I grunch... yes you cap. Your hand will win a HELLA lot of the time. I want as much in that pot as I can possibly get.

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*grunch*
Raises. I think this is correct because a) there is a caller who is likely to call it. You got the nut flush draw so if utg has flush draw also he will go to war if the third [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] drops in.
b) You got the top pair with good kicker. If you are against trips you still got outs to your flush and sure for your third ace [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img].

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b) You got the top pair with good kicker. If you are against trips you still got outs to your flush and sure for your third ace [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img].

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Just in case you didn't know, if someone has a set and Hero hits a set of Aces, villain will now have a full house [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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b) You got the top pair with good kicker. If you are against trips you still got outs to your flush and sure for your third ace [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img].

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Just in case you didn't know, if someone has a set and Hero hits a set of Aces, villain will now have a full house [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Oh my mistake [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]. Indeed.

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b) You got the top pair with good kicker. If you are against trips you still got outs to your flush and sure for your third ace [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img].

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Just in case you didn't know, if someone has a set and Hero hits a set of Aces, villain will now have a full house [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Oh my mistake [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]. Indeed.

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But you are on the right track, if hero is behind a set here he does have 11 outs to beat it, 9 spades and the other 2 Queens. As mentioned above, if we are suspecting a set we'd rather not see a pair on the board ;-)

Mat

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But you are on the right track, if hero is behind a set here he does have 11 outs to beat it, 9 spades and the other 2 Queens. As mentioned above, if we are suspecting a set we'd rather not see a pair on the board ;-)
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But the queens would have to come runner-runner to make a full, otherwise your two pair are no good. Seeing as how there are 3 queens left, I don't think we can count them as even 1 full out, let alone 2.

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But you are on the right track, if hero is behind a set here he does have 11 outs to beat it, 9 spades and the other 2 Queens. As mentioned above, if we are suspecting a set we'd rather not see a pair on the board ;-)
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But the queens would have to come runner-runner to make a full, otherwise your two pair are no good. Seeing as how there are 3 queens left, I don't think we can count them as even 1 full out, let alone 2.

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Except that if he does catch a queen on the turn then the aces become outs too.

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Good point. So how many outs oes that equate to?

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CAP CAP CAP!! You most likley have the best hand, and if not you are still a favorite to win the pot. Get thier money in their. The UTG caught in the middle is way behind and you want him to contribute as money as possible.

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Grunch.

There is a utility available to create hand histories for Pacific (Hand Grabber, I believe. Check the pokertracker website); very handy.

As for your hand, I'd cap, particuarly with UTG donking along. You may be ahead, and even if you're behind, you have lots of outs to a set, two pair, or better.

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*grunch*

I'd cap it for sure. Even if you are against a set or two pair (which I don't think you can really assume at this point), you've got a draw to the nut flush. There is a reasonably good chance you already in the lead. Plus, if you make your draw you are almost certain to win the pot.

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Good point. So how many outs oes that equate to?

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If someone has a set we have:
9 to the flush draw
0,425 outs to runner runner full house
((5/47)x(4/46)) x 46

So make that 9,425 outs.

Re: New poster. Flop question
 

Thanks for all the replies. Will cap from now on. My concern was not enough equity with only three opponents. Villian three betting put me into "OMG, I'm behind..better just call" mode.

There is a utility available to create hand histories for Pacific (Hand Grabber, I believe. Check the pokertracker website); very handy.

I recently purchased Pokertracker and Handgrabber, but Pacific hands didn't work in the Bison converter. Any other converters that may work?

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Even with just two other players, if you only count your nut flush draw, every bet you put in the pot is about break even. Since you also have top pair with second kicker, I'd say your equity is much better than just 35% from the flush alone. And since you are more than one-third of a favorite to win this hand, every bet the other players will call benefits you. Easy cap.

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If someone has a set we have:
9 to the flush draw
0,425 outs to runner runner full house
((5/47)x(4/46)) x 46

So make that 9,425 outs.

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Just so I know, how did you come up with .425 for the runner runner full? Thanks.