Don\'t value bet this river.
 

table is LPP. Everyone. Someone has the flush, right?

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (6 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls $0.63 (All-In).

River: (17.63 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players, 1 all-in)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: 17.63 BB

Re: Don\'t value bet this river.
 

w.t.f.

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LOL

OP: Bet/call.

Re: Don\'t value bet this river.
 

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table is LPP. Everyone. Someone has the flush, right?

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Of course. Nobody ever calls down with just a pair.

Re: Don\'t value bet this river.
 

three bet the flop

Re: Don\'t value bet this river.
 

I think at least a couple of people are drawing, and I can get two out of everyone once the guy to my left fires again on the turn. isn't there more value in that?

Weak Tight of the Day!
 

If you don't lose a lot of money with a set
when beaten, you didn't play it right.

Please see above.

-ZEN

Re: Don\'t value bet this river.
 

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I think at least a couple of people are drawing, and I can get two out of everyone once the guy to my left fires again on the turn. isn't there more value in that?

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and if he doesn't fire and someone in late position bets his ace, will you be happy you faced the field with two cold on a big street?

3-bet the flop while they will call and get tied to the pot with terrible hands, and don't chance pushing everyone out on the turn.

The Fundamental Theory of Flushes on the River:
 

If you check, someone has it and will bet, or no one has it and no one will bet.

If you bet, someone has it and will raise.

Therefore, if you bet you will lose, but if you check you might not lose.

Re: The Fundamental Theory of Flushes on the River:
 

I hope you are just being sarcastic.

This is a clear value bet since table is LPP, and these players don't need a good draw to call down. A bet here could get called by 2 players if not more!! I would not be shocked if some player over calls with middle pair [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

Re: Don\'t value bet this river.
 

I think BB underplayed his hand somewhat...

Re: Don\'t value bet this river.
 

What's your reason for just calling the flop raise? 3-bet it and get the callers to call one more bet.

I hate check/raising the turn here. Too risky with ALOT of draws out there. I raise/3-bet/call

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I think at least a couple of people are drawing, and I can get two out of everyone once the guy to my left fires again on the turn. isn't there more value in that?

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They've all already put 2 bets in, You have them all nicely trapped for a third, and UTG may well be nice to you and make it 4. Take it while the going is good!

Mat

Re: Don\'t value bet this river.
 

*grunch*

Hero needs to 3-bets flop

I'm thinking bet/fold. I don't like being so passive here or someone might take a shot at you

Edit: wtf was I thinking, bet/call, big pot here, you have a set.

Crovax

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*grunch* Raise the flop. You can extract ½BB and maybe more from every player in the pot already. You also don't want the flush drawers to draw a cheap card. I like the river. There are many players in the pot and there are many combos that you lose to. It's good [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: Don\'t value bet this river.
 

Raise the flop, bet the turn, bet the river. I think you might be a victim of MUBS. none of the callers has done anything to define their hand. UTG has at least an Ace. You have a set on the flop, with flush draw and a straight draw on the board. Make them pay to see the turn and river.

Re: Don\'t value bet this river.
 

I would re-raise the flop for value. No one showed strength pre-flop, and we likely have the best hand. Bet it. They have called one raise back to you, and they are trapped for one more. If they are going to chase, make them pay.

Nice play on the turn.

Bet the river, and call the raise back. The pot is too big to fold for one more. Fold if it is two back.

Brian

Re: Don\'t value bet this river.
 

To clarify: Your play on the turn was good based on the way you played the flop. Had we 3-bet the flop I would lead the turn.

Re: Don\'t value bet this river.
 

3bet the flop with all these people already committed. I'd bet the river, at this level I'd probably call a raise as well, hoping to see A9 or K9 often enough to make it worth it.

Who knows, maybe MP3 is the one with the flush and this is your last chance to get cash into a side pot for yourself.