JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop
 

Guys:

I'm trying to find my way in 1/2 and I'm a bit lost here. What's my best move? I have no read on the BB. I think it was his first hand.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero ????

Thanks for the input.

-Rick

Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop
 

Bets.

I put his range off being quite wide here. I bet out and if he c/r me, well since I have no reads I would go with my gut on that one. But vs a tricky player I 3-bet and vs the average one, I call and evaluate on turn.

Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop
 

Hey Rick-

Hero bets to protect and for value. W/O reads, BB could have anything. Even facing 2 overcards you often still have the best hand here. If you check you may lose the whole pot by allowing BB to improve cheaply. By betting, you may even pick up the pot right here. You were the preflop aggressor so if you do not bet it is a sign of weakness. If you get check-raised it sucks but it is part of the game.

Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop
 

bet.

Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop
 

Bet-fold the flop. Bet-fold the turn sometimes (depends on your read -- sometimes check behind and fold the river).

Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop
 

Grunch


Bet the flop, bet the turn, c/c the river UI. If raised on the flop, c/f the turn UI.

Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop
 

For sure bet.

Most of the time in this situation you bet and BB folds.

Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop
 

Thanks for the replies. The BB raised me and I folded, which was not good. In my defense, a few hands before this, I had my KK cracked by AQ when 2 Aces fell on the flop and I called him down after a similar C/R on the flop. I guess I was seeing a few too many monsters under the bed when this hand came up.

-Rick

Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop
 

I bet.
I will try for a fcp. I want to get to a showdown on this hand.

If I get c/r here, I call and fold the turn UI.

Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop
 

I think you have to bet because it's still more likely you are ahead than behind.

Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop
 

Bet.

Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop
 

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I bet.
I will try for a fcp. I want to get to a showdown on this hand.

If I get c/r here, I call and fold the turn UI.

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I don't think you've got odds to call the check-raise to chase things.

Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop
 

this is a good example of the value-bet/fold-to-a-raise.

Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop
 

I see no reason why you can't bet this flop. It could appear to be a steal attempt to him, you already have a hand. He might be on some small suited cards (hopefully not hearts.) Anyways you have 2 backdoor draws, possible re-draw if he has hearts and you should probably bet this.

Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop
 

heads up w/ JJ you gotta bet this flop. w/out any reads I would probably fold to a c/r and check/call the turn UI. by this point you'd probably have a good idea of where you stand...

Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop
 

Grunch: Since BB's calling range preflop is huge you can't really put him on a hand, except maybe that he doesn't have a monster. I think you either way behind or ahead. A play I been thinking about when I have position (as you do here) is to bet/raise the flop. If bet into again on the turn, I fold UI, if not I bet again for a free SD. If BB likes to bluff, you can check through on the turn and call the river instead. Anyway, we probably get to SD for 1,5 BB more and the pot will then be 5 BB. I really think you are good more than 30% of the time here, so this play should make sense?

Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop
 

*grunch*
Bets. If he check-raises you can pretty much fold here. If he calls bet the turn and check behind on the river. If he shows aggression I'd fold.

Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop
 

Bet the flop--you will have to fold to a raise, though, as long as you don't think this is a bluff (which it's probably not). If you're called, bet the turn. If your raised on the turn, fold. Check the river.

Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop
 

Don't I have enough outs here to justify calling the C/R and seeing how I like the Turn? As I look at how I played the hand, I think that folding to the C/R was a mistake. The pot was relatively small, so I don't think it was huge, but it was a mistake nonetheless.

Re: JJ with Two Over Cards on the Flop
 

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Flop: (4.50 SB) Q, A, 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ????



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Bets. Find out where you stand. He may have played any ace or any two suited cards. Bet and decide from his response what to do.