Inter 20/40 Hand: How should I approach this turn and river?
 

5-handed 20/40

It's only been about 3 orbits and all opponents are new to me. I haven't done anything interesting yet so opponents have no read on me.

UTG: A little loose passive preflop (40/13ish) and passive postflop.

SB: Pretty aggressive preflop (36/22ish) and very tricky, aggressive postflop. From what I've seen postflop he likes to test opponents ever chance he gets. Fights for every pot he's in. Anyway...

Hero gets A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in the BB

UTG raises, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, both call.

Flop: K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

SB bets, Hero raises, UTG calls, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

SB bets...

At this point I was pretty much lost on how to approach the rest of the hand. Any thoughts?

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Re: Inter 20/40 Hand: How should I approach this turn and river?
 

Is it wrong for me to say call? UTG is playing awful suspecious.

Re: Inter 20/40 Hand: How should I approach this turn and river?
 

call and call if utg raises bc you have odds for a 4 outer.

Re: Inter 20/40 Hand: How should I approach this turn and river?
 

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Is it wrong for me to say call? UTG is playing awful suspecious.

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Well, after SBs preflop/flop action I could safely narrow his range down to a King, Ten, straight or flush draw. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] I assumed UTG's range was likely the same.

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Turn Action and River
 

Moving on (impatient...sorry)

Board: [K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

SB bets, I call, UTG calls

River: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB bets, Hero?...

Simple call? Consider a raise?

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Re: Turn Action and River
 

i would just call but im not sure its best.

Re: Inter 20/40 Hand: How should I approach this turn and river?
 

no one considering a cap on the flop? Might knock out UTG which would help.

Re: Inter 20/40 Hand: How should I approach this turn and river?
 

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no one considering a cap on the flop?

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The only choice IMO.

Re: Inter 20/40 Hand: How should I approach this turn and river?
 

Hmm.. you were raising a non-spade turn? I like that idea. I like calling turn when the spade hits and calling one raise like vic says then folding river ui.

I think the river is a call but it's pretty close. A big problem is that even though we can pretty well rule out a T from SB's hand since he wouldn't want to lead into us on the flop and knock out UTG a flush draw seems quite fitting, and we really can't fold to a 3-bet against such an aggro player. Calling might also get UTG to call with a K that he'd fold to a raise. There are also benefits to raising but I don't think they amount to enough.

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I think the river is a call but it's pretty close

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i dont think the river is close at all. he will see kq and ak often enough.

Re: Inter 20/40 Hand: How should I approach this turn and river?
 

I call the turn bet planning on calling one river bet, but fold immediately if UTG raises the turn. With 4 clean outs the pot would definitely be big enough to call, but I think the T outs are pretty tainted. Of course and as always I could be dead wrong.

Cartman

Re: Inter 20/40 Hand: How should I approach this turn and river?
 

thats a good point but i hate folding aces and i like to complain when i lose.

RESULTS
 

Well, I still can't decide whether capping the flop is best or not. Looks like everyone likes the turn call which is good.

As for the river I think it's fairly close (Dane - great point about sb not having a T b/c of his flop lead...didn't even think about that).

Anyway, final board is

K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB bets, I call, UTG calls.

SB - Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

UTG - K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

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Re: Inter 20/40 Hand: How should I approach this turn and river?
 

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I think the river is a call but it's pretty close

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i dont think the river is close at all. he will see kq and ak often enough.

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Vic, I'm considering a raise not a fold.

Re: Inter 20/40 Hand: How should I approach this turn and river?
 

i think you played this hand well.

Re: Inter 20/40 Hand: How should I approach this turn and river?
 

I'd play it the same.

Re: Inter 20/40 Hand: How should I approach this turn and river?
 

I play it the same.

I like waiting 'till the turn to raise a non-spade. I really want to raise the river when UTG calls again on the turn, but I don't know that I can fold to a 3bet from the crazylag in such a big pot. If I could, then I think a raise is in order b/c I think we have the best hand often enough.

Surf

Re: Inter 20/40 Hand: How should I approach this turn and river?
 

yes, i wanted to raise the turn and fold to a 3bet at first, but when start to consider the pot size and that based on the play of the hand, and who you are up against... you would likely be folding a hand that is getting close to correct Odds to fill up.... especially thinking that the most likely hand he would have with a threebet would be a flush. I think calling the turn is right because you have presented yourself with the possibility of setting yourself up for a worse mistake by folding to the threebet.