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12-13-2005 12:00 PM

Possible to get away from this hand? (Turned fullhouse)
 
not sure why its not displaying correctly....but no raises pre-flop, and on the flop, the player on my left bet $5, and everyone called. Was this bad that I called this pre-flop bet? No one was behind and I didnt figure this flop hit anyone.

When the 5 hit, I thought I was golden. Figured someone may have hit a straight, or maybe had something like A4 for trips. Once the turn comes, is there any way to fold?

Party Poker (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Button folds.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
MP1 calls 52.50 (All-In), Hero calls 45.45 (All-In), SB folds.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot:

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 7s 7h (two pair, sevens and fours).
MP1 has 6h 6d (full house, sixes full of fours).
Hero has 5d 5h (full house, fives full of fours).
Outcome: MP1 wins . </font>

scrapperdog 12-13-2005 12:02 PM

Re: Possible to get away from this hand? (Turned fullhouse)
 
no

yvesaint 12-13-2005 12:04 PM

Re: Possible to get away from this hand? (Turned fullhouse)
 
no, but i probably fold the flop, youre only happy w/exactly 2 cards on the turn

DoomSlice 12-13-2005 12:07 PM

Re: Possible to get away from this hand? (Turned fullhouse)
 
The only reasonable way is to fold the flop.

J Chap 12-13-2005 12:08 PM

Re: Possible to get away from this hand? (Turned fullhouse)
 
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what he's saying is that if you call the flop bet, you're obviously calling it to try to suck out a 5 on him. To call this flop bet and then not be willing to put the rest of your stack in when your miracle card rolls out is the worst thing you can do.

if you're new here, welcome to 2+2; I look forward to reading non-bad-beat posts from you when you come around...

[img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] i did it, too, back in the day

-jchap-

beavens 12-13-2005 12:10 PM

Re: Possible to get away from this hand? (Turned fullhouse)
 
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no

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what he's saying is that if you call the flop bet, you're obviously calling it to try to suck out a 5 on him. To call this flop bet and then not be willing to put the rest of your stack in when your miracle card rolls out is the worst thing you can do.

if you're new here, welcome to 2+2; I look forward to reading non-bad-beat posts from you when you come around...

[img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] i did it, too, back in the day

-jchap-

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there was never a bad beat - he was crushed from the get go.

J Chap 12-13-2005 12:11 PM

Re: Possible to get away from this hand? (Turned fullhouse)
 
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there was never a bad beat - he was crushed from the get go.

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i mean a frustrating hand post, seeming to want sympathy more than actual advice. i did them, too, though.

beavens 12-13-2005 12:12 PM

Re: Possible to get away from this hand? (Turned fullhouse)
 
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there was never a bad beat - he was crushed from the get go.

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i mean a frustrating hand.

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hey, i gots to be a nit [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

J Chap 12-13-2005 12:14 PM

Re: Possible to get away from this hand? (Turned fullhouse)
 
here's to winning superbowls in 21-year intervals, baby.

beavens 12-13-2005 12:19 PM

Re: Possible to get away from this hand? (Turned fullhouse)
 
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here's to winning superbowls in 21-year intervals, baby.

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we feel that it's only important to have one winning team every quarter century or so.

J Chap 12-13-2005 12:20 PM

Re: Possible to get away from this hand? (Turned fullhouse)
 
as long as we get the occasional 6-basketball-titles-in-one-decade to keep us occupied in between

beavens 12-13-2005 12:27 PM

Re: Possible to get away from this hand? (Turned fullhouse)
 
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as long as we get the occasional 6-basketball-titles-in-one-decade to keep us occupied in between

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haha, unfortunately i am not a huge nba fan [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

lifelong bears fan though!

kurto 12-13-2005 12:51 PM

Re: Possible to get away from this hand? (Turned fullhouse)
 
When you post, you need to post the table limit and effective stack sizes. Based on the fact that the all-in bet was around $50, I'm going to assume this is a $50 table.

Your flop play is atrocious no matter how you look at is.

You have about a %4-5 chance of filling up on the turn. IF your card hits and if you're ahead, you're going to have to win a $100-125 just to make your flop call good. Considering your opponent only has $52 left, no matter how you play this hand... you're losing money longterm.

Frankly, if you're going to make a call like this (which there's no reason you should), you're better doing it with a higher pocket pair so you don't have to worry about set over set (then you only have to worry about quads).

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Was this bad that I called this pre-flop bet? No one was behind and I didnt figure this flop hit anyone.


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????????? Why? If there was a raise preflop, it might make more sense that this didn't hit anyone. Why would you ever assume this didn't hit anyone when everyone limped? I don't know mean to sound harsh but that's ridiculous. Especially when everyone called. Even worse then that, even if someone doesn't have a 4 (and someone most certainly does unless they're a table full of idiots) there's so many hands you're behind anyways. Anyone with a 6 in their hand, pocket 7s-pocket Aces. Even if it missed everyone... if someone has two suited overcards, you only have a 1% lead. Unless one of your 2 5s hit, you're never going to know where you're at. Any card 7 or above, more then half the deck, could be making you a loser.

Hands that people play that could be ahead of you on the flop:
45 (suited or not... people love their connectors)
44
66
56
67
68
A4 suited
A6 suited
K4 suited
K6 suited
77
88
99
1010
jj
qq
kk
aa (granted the last 3 USUALLY raise, but someone people slowplay em)

I think the message is clear: fold on the flop.


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