tournament Andy B river play
 

Do you save the bet or go to showdown? seat 2 is Andy B

Tournament - 7 Card Stud High - Level VIII (300/600), Ante 50, Bring-In 100 (converter)

Seat 2: 7,003
Hero: 4,997

3rd Street - (0.33 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises

4th Street - (2.33 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street - (2.17 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets___calls
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises

6th Street - (6.17 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls

River - (8.17 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___bets
Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds

Total pot: (8.17 BB)

Re: tournament Andy B river play
 

4th:I like the raise rather than the call myself,but I'm sure the call is just as good.
5th:Good raise.
River:Looks like Andy played it well,& you didn't catch.What can you do?

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Yea, I think a raise on forth would have been the way to go.

Anyway since no one finds this one interesting I'll tell ya what happened. Andy showed his hand and just had a 4 in the hole, that was a huge pot to take on a bluff, well played.

After that It was something like 2500 to 8500 or something.

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I did find that hand interesting. I wish you hadn't posted the results.

I don't think I really care for andy's sixth street play, but its hard to argue with the results.

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It was getting pretty agressive if the both of us stayed in past 4th, I think I should have fought a little harder for this one. I had a feeling i was ahead on 3rd and 4th, but when he catches 3 overcards I just thought it would be better to save the last 600.

I think he knew I could throw away something like a pair of 8's against that board so I think his 6th street play was good for this situation.

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I think me and andy had a few good heads up hands, i'll post a couple later.

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I'd have raised 4th, but barring that I can't see playing it any other way. It sucks to fold the river, but really you're only beating a bluff here.

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My thoughts on the river were to save the bet when I'm probably beat and have 4 BB's to fight with or call and probably lose and be lift with 3 BB's, I still like the fold even though it ened up being wrong here.

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My thoughts on the river were to save the bet when I'm probably beat and have 4 BB's to fight with or call and probably lose and be lift with 3 BB's, I still like the fold even though it ened up being wrong here.


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So now instead of having 12BB's you have 4 because you were a cheapskate? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] THis illustrates why you call on the river in stud. Your play on all streets was fine except for throwing that last bet in there. FWIW I was going to post that you had to call the river even before I read the results. You gave a good player too much credit for simply betting out on a scare card twice (which good players often do sometimes). If this wasnt Andy B., but instead some random player who entered this and had 3 posts on 2+2, do you still fold? Good players are thiefs, man. You should you be just as, if not more, liable to call them (as opposed to an unknown opponent) here for that reason. You also have to pay off in these situations for metagame purposes. I know thats probably not the case here, unless you and Andy play a lot, but I just wanted to point it out.

Mike Emery

Re: tournament Andy B river play
 

I thought that with 3 bets I had no chance to win the tournament, with 4 bets I had a little room.

I just got it in my head that he had to have 2 pair here, everytime he had made this sort of play he had a hand, he was playing pretty straight forward up to that point in heads up play. I realize that that is a great spot for him to bluff. I just couldn't take the chance.

Edit: your probably right though

Re: tournament Andy B river play
 

I don't know about that. 3 or 4 bets is just one played hand either way, most likely, unless you intend to fold on 6th or 7th for a partial bet.

I don't know if I could make this crying call. I would've raised 4th, though. These bets are way too big for proper heads up play, so I'd just get more of it in there with what is probably the better hand. I'd be a results-oriented donk to say anything like "easy call" though.

Re: tournament Andy B river play
 

Well saving that bet helped me out on my way to the win, I don't think I could have made a couple of my plays right after this without it. I'll post a couple...

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I don't think I really care for andy's sixth street play, but its hard to argue with the results.

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It was an act of desperation. This was a pivotal hand, and I was just hoping he'd blink.

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I just got it in my head that he had to have 2 pair here

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I don't know if I could make this crying call.

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Mental notes for if I ever play in one of these:

Bully around preiserone, bully BTrish. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I still think you played it well.If the other guy is a good player,too,you can't outplay him on every hand.Andy just decided that you were likely on 8's only & thought he could move you off the hand.So he put his money where his read was.Good job,Andy.

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I don't think I really care for andy's sixth street play, but its hard to argue with the results.

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It was an act of desperation. This was a pivotal hand, and I was just hoping he'd blink.

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Yea, I think this was a tough spot for both of us, you just played it a little better than I did.

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Mental notes for if I ever play in one of these:

Bully around preiserone, bully BTrish.

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I've gotta be a pretty low stack to not call this river, I'm not that big of a push over. I'm sure you could find a few spots to kick me around though.

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I just got it in my head that he had to have 2 pair here

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I don't know if I could make this crying call.

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Mental notes for if I ever play in one of these:

Bully around preiserone, bully BTrish. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Mental note: Emery would try to bully me. To be honest, I'd probably pay this one off myself--I'm hesitant to say "make this call" because I knew the result before I thought about the hand.

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with 3 bets I had no chance to win the tournament, with 4 bets I had a little room

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Puke.

3-6-12-24
4-8-16-32

You still have to win 3 hands (while getting AI) to win. There is pratically no difference btw 3 and 4 BB

I won the stud8 tourney after being down to 2.5 BB. Really, as long as you are alive, when you double up every hand, you can comeback SUPER quick.

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It was an act of desperation. This was a pivotal hand, and I was just hoping he'd blink.


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Good hand Andy. This is how you win tourneys. Its how I won the stud8 one.

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I still think you played it well.If the other guy is a good player,too,you can't outplay him on every hand.Andy just decided that you were likely on 8's only & thought he could move you off the hand.So he put his money where his read was.Good job,Andy.

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Remember, when Andy keeps on catching over cards, and the pot keeps getting bigger. Every one of Andy's bets is better and better. If he has it, he has to bet. If he doesn't have it, he'd be forced to call because he has a whole bunch of outs. Might as well preserve fold equity.