T8s BB defence
This is my very first hand at the table..i havent played against these guys before.
Ultimate Bet 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls. Flop: (4.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP calls. Turn: (4.20 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls. River: (6.20 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks... Is it worth having a bluff at the river? How about the rest of the hand? |
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rest of the hand looks good.
check/fold the river, that A is the death card. |
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yeah don't try to bluff him out after he has called the turn. nh.
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I would bet this river for sure. I like the Ace, actually. Sure it may have hit him, but if not it looks just as scary to your oppponent as it does to you. You'll be successful at least 1 in 7 if not more.
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I would bet this river for sure. I like the Ace, actually. Sure it may have hit him, but if not it looks just as scary to your oppponent as it does to you. You'll be successful at least 1 in 7 if not more. [/ QUOTE ] range please? |
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check/fold the river, that A is the death card. [/ QUOTE ] So in these situations are we check/folding any river unimproved against an unknown, or just the nasty ones? Say the river card was 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or something like that...still check/fold? |
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Is this preflop call standard? This doesn't look like a blind steal with 5 players left to act.
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Is this preflop call standard? This doesn't look like a blind steal with 5 players left to act. [/ QUOTE ] i definitely think we can recoup some of our initial big blind by playing this hand against an unknown raiser in his position. |
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I'm sorry, I'm not a frequent poster, so I'm not sure what you mean by range. Do you mean what could opponent have? If so, maybe some kind of low pocket pair. Also, he might be tight/weak and have some kind of queen, put you on overcards, and now disgustedly folds to a second board overcard. Keep in mind I'm sure the river bluff will "fail" quite often, but not more than 6 out of 7, in my opinion. I could be quite wrong, however!
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[ QUOTE ] Is this preflop call standard? This doesn't look like a blind steal with 5 players left to act. [/ QUOTE ] i definitely think we can recoup some of our initial big blind by playing this hand against an unknown raiser in his position. [/ QUOTE ] Interesting - I might be playing too tight in these situations. How low of a 1-gapper will you call here? How about 0-gappers? |
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i'll play 97s and probably 86s. 75s i arbitrarily decide to fold, but not always.
0 gappers i will call down to 65s and sometimes 54s, but again that's around the arbitrary line i draw. you just have to realize that these guys are going to put another 1.5 small bets into the pot (betting flop and turn) basically regardless of whether they hit or not postflop. many of them will also call you down with ace or king high if you hit a somewhat nice flop. i believe nate and peter rus have some stuff talking about the idea of playing a fairly simple fit or fold style with hands like these. |
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Good flop to c/r, although a standard villain may put us on a draw. I think we should check/call the turn card. It did not help us, and hell, villain may be thinking we are going for the difecta (bifecta?), getting us a free river card. If the turn were a 9 or a J, a bet might be worth it for a thin FE. This river is an easy check/fold. We are so not likely to have the best hand.
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[ QUOTE ] I would bet this river for sure. I like the Ace, actually. Sure it may have hit him, but if not it looks just as scary to your oppponent as it does to you. You'll be successful at least 1 in 7 if not more. [/ QUOTE ] range please? [/ QUOTE ] unknown range is AA-72o |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I would bet this river for sure. I like the Ace, actually. Sure it may have hit him, but if not it looks just as scary to your oppponent as it does to you. You'll be successful at least 1 in 7 if not more. [/ QUOTE ] range please? [/ QUOTE ] unknown range is AA-72o [/ QUOTE ] gimme a break, no it isn't. |
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Is this preflop call standard? This doesn't look like a blind steal with 5 players left to act. [/ QUOTE ] It's very standard. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I would bet this river for sure. I like the Ace, actually. Sure it may have hit him, but if not it looks just as scary to your oppponent as it does to you. You'll be successful at least 1 in 7 if not more. [/ QUOTE ] range please? [/ QUOTE ] unknown range is AA-72o [/ QUOTE ] gimme a break, no it isn't. [/ QUOTE ] I'm just kidding, dude. |
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[ QUOTE ] check/fold the river, that A is the death card. [/ QUOTE ] So in these situations are we check/folding any river unimproved against an unknown, or just the nasty ones? Say the river card was 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or something like that...still check/fold? [/ QUOTE ] it is way easier to fire again on a blank. I'm not sure on my methodology but check this out. I just want to look at how much of his range has paired or better by the river, I realize there are some holes here as he is apt to fold a lot of hands but he's also apt to raise a lot of better hands. regardless I think this analysis is telling. in both cases I am matching up a wide steal range vs. the nut no pair at the end. what this tells us if assuming villain sees the river always (again i realize he doesn't), how often does he have a pair or better by the river? Board: 3d 4s Qs Kc Ah equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 88.2948 % 86.99% 01.30% { 44+, A2s+, K3s+, Q5s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, A3o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J9o+, T9o } Hand 2: 11.7052 % 10.40% 01.30% { Jc9c } Board: 3d 4s Qs Kc 6h equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 62.8134 % 61.56% 01.25% { 44+, A2s+, K3s+, Q5s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, A3o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J9o+, T9o } Hand 2: 37.1866 % 35.93% 01.25% { AcJc } |
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