KQo - Not interesting but wondered.
 

<font color="green"> So buttons notes are limited to say the least:
"Bluff betted flop HU from BB into UTG(Pot steal, Then called a raise with overcards to the raggy low flop.

=Bet/Called flop HU into UTG limper W/T7o on 4329Q board. Checked Turn/River(Got checked though)"

So basically he's attempted to pot steal by betting flop with junk... thats all i have on him. Rest of the hands are datamined.

Stats show: 24/13/3.2 over 300 hands (4-6players filtered).

SB is: 60/16/.7 only 30 hands though.

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Main concerns are my fishy 2back to me call... (Admitedly i think i thought i was vs SB/BB rather than button so thought i had position LOL... Noob error as dad was asking me about PC crap).

And the flop call... do you call or fold it? We got a gutshot but will it be raised?

Turn seems standard and river.

Absolute Limit Hold'em Ring - $1/$2 Stakes (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is LP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero raises, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button raises, Small blind raises, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, Button calls

Flop: (13.00 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Small blind bets, Hero calls, Button raises, Small blind calls, Hero calls

Turn: (9.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Small blind checks, Hero checks, Button bets, Small blind calls, Hero calls

River: (12.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Small blind checks, Hero checks, Button bets, Small blind folds, Hero folds

Re: KQo - Not interesting but wondered.
 

Flop call is fine with gutshot + backdoor draw..uh yeah...standard.

Re: KQo - Not interesting but wondered.
 

preflop?

Re: KQo - Not interesting but wondered.
 

Ummm..can't be a huge mistake calling the extra 2 bets, I'd probably fold if I had KJ or something...but with KQ seems close. BTW whats your screenname on abs? PM me it if you like. I've played a lot of hands in that game and I probably will recognise the name. My name's wearethefall

Re: KQo - Not interesting but wondered.
 

I dont have you in my PT Db and i datamine a fair bit. You dont play often? 1/2 and .5/1 i've datamined a fair bit of(and played).

Dont recognise your name, I may PM you in a bit with it. Not sure i want to give my ABS name out lol.

Cheers.

Re: KQo - Not interesting but wondered.
 

I stopped playing the 1/2 soon as they switched to .50 rake for the bonus. Now doing the 3/6 and 5/10. How can you datamine abs?

Re: KQo - Not interesting but wondered.
 

If it helps my avatar is a sexy boy smelling a pink flower. Camp avatars really piss the emotionally unstable LAGs off. Shame I can't seem to order drinks at abs anymore as the pink lady cocktail really completed the image.

Re: KQo - Not interesting but wondered.
 

Ah i see no wonder. LOL@Avatar, We wont meet then as i play 1/2 for the next 9K and moving up to 2/4 next.

Ah i just slapped a program together, I'm debating releasing it to 2+2 because its not automatic(It grabs them, but you have to do a few clicks etc to get 'em) and i couldn't sell it.

So giving it for free when its not even that great... and it leaking to the whole world may be -EV :P

Also Absolute will catch on if a release it and may change things which sucks for me.

Cheers.

Re: KQo - Not interesting but wondered.
 

IMO don't play the 2/4 at abs. Minimum pot there for .25 rake is a v. low $5, this was ok with the old bonus structure but in the new one it just stinks. Rake paid per hand in the 2/4 is a little over twice that in the 1/2.

I'm v. interested in this program of yours hehe. Um, I could give you all my hand histories for it...20k hands will give you some more useful info no doubt.

Re: KQo - Not interesting but wondered.
 

Lol, Ill consider releasing it mate and having some kind of serial via 2+2 Pms to run it but i'm not sure about this yet.

I'll be sure to contact you if i do.

Hmm but i dont like the jump from 1/2 to 3/6 i think 2/4 is a nice transisition as i expect 3/6 to be alot tougher no?

I've paid about $60 in 1200hands at 1/2 lol, Seems pretty harsh huh? thats $5 per 100 hands? or 2.5BB... Ouch. Maybe my PT is incorrect though.

POKhER

Re: KQo - Not interesting but wondered.
 

Game selection is paramount at 3/6, lots of tough players in that game, but there are still lots of fish. The main difference I've noticed is that at 1/2 a lot of the TAGs don't steal raise anywhere near as much as they should, wheras in 3/6 this error is a lot more uncommon.

It's been a while since I played the 2/4 but all I can remember is avoid Lancington.

Re: KQo - Not interesting but wondered.
 

sorry to bring this back to the topic at hand, but I think the flop on this hand is very interesting. I'm not sure I like calling the flop here

you're getting 14-1 immediate, but after you flat call, the button is basically guaranteed to pop you with any A. if you assume he is 3betting you PF with 99+, KQ+, AJ+, he is going to raise TT(3)/AA(3)/AK(9)/AQ(9)/AJ(9) and not raising with JJ-KK(6*3)/KQ(9)

so i'm guessing you're getting popped 33/60 times and not 27/60 times

14-1 when you don't get popped
17-2 when you do

you have about 5.5 outs which is about 7.5:1

ev=33/60*((1/8.5*14)-(7.5/8.5*1))+27/60((1/8.5*17)-(7.5/8.5+2))=0.0235294118

there is a chance this gets 3bet or capped, but our implied odds are pretty awesome here and definitely make up for it, the flop is a marginal but good call I think

Re: KQo - Not interesting but wondered.
 

fold when it is 2 back to you preflop.

Re: KQo - Not interesting but wondered.
 

Flop call's fine. Preflop is iffy.

Am I missing something? I must be..why are you caling the turn?

Re: KQo - Not interesting but wondered.
 

I don't think these reads apply well to this hand--big pre-flop action, big-card flop. The stats are significant tho. These are not maniacal pfrs for SH. I am leaning towards folding pre-flop when it's 2 back to us. SB capping is not a good sign. I suppose post-flop, the pot is big enough to call for our gutshot on the flop and turn. Flop is slightly questionable as SB &amp; button may get into a raising war with us in between.

Re: KQo - Not interesting but wondered.
 

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Am I missing something? I must be..why are you caling the turn?

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We have a gutshot, and getting 11.5:1 to call and close the action.

Re: KQo - Not interesting but wondered.
 

Cheers JBA - Good analysis, I need to learn/attempt these calculations often so i can establish +EV and -EV calls as im pretty rusty. I guess WTO will teach me when i re-read it.

ANyhow, So we establish the flop call is marginal yet +EV. and the turn call is pretty standard with a gutshot(Pretty sure my outs are clean).

River is easy fold?

Preflop though, Is it stupid to call 2cold with KQo? it felt bad but as i had invested it was either a loss or 2more bets and pray for a good flop(lol).

Re: KQo - Not interesting but wondered.
 

I think the problem with the pre-flop call is that we are putting in 2 more bets to play a hand OOP that is likely to be dominated. If the flop hits us with TPGK, we are spending a lot more bets to find out if it is good.