hu 5/10 river decisions vs fsuplayer - deepish
 

headsup 5/10 vs fsuplayer.

*edited to add this was only about 15 hands in. i was playing pretty fast and aggressive and he hadn't been as agg as usual*

me (button): $3350
fsu(bb): $2800

dealt: K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]-2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

i open to 40. fsu calls

flop: K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (pot: 80)

fsu checks. i bet 60. fsu calls.

turn: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (pot: 200)

fsu leads 180. i raise to 550 straight. fsu calls.

river: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (pot: 1300)

fsu checks. i bet 550 (a). fsu checkraises all in for ~1600 more. i...? (b)

a) thoughts on river bet?
b) river action?

comments on other parts appreciated.

Re: hu 5/10 river decisions vs fsuplayer - deepish
 

its an easy river fold... what do you beat? he doesnt have/doing it 72

river bet is greedy but good

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Problem with underbet is he knows you don't have flush, so he can have a set here IMO, along with something like Ah9h too

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a) thoughts on river bet?

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If you're gonna make a bet like that either your opponent has to be very weak or you have to be committed to calling a raise. FSU ain't weak and this hand can't call a raise.


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b) river action?

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fold.

Re: hu 5/10 river decisions vs fsuplayer - deepish
 

check river, u wouldnt of had this problem.

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Helps to know your opponent [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] (see text in bold)


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Player: Fsuplayer
Age: 23 this week

Nationality: Italianish
Style: loosish aggro. (thats still cool, right?)
Strengths:
-catching bluffs
-getting paid off
-adjusting to diff. players

Weaknesses:
-a concept of money
-relestness when only playing 1 or 2 tables
-not playing long enough sessions when im winning
-not taking enough shots

Favorite Hand: 57ss. seems to flop alot of joints after raising from EP.

Favorite move: the river checkraise

Least/Most Feared Player: least: zeebo, most: mahatma
Quote: "It tastes like a delicious sponge!"

Odds: 14-1


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Re: hu 5/10 river decisions vs fsuplayer - deepish
 

You are ahead about 1/100 times here. Obviously cos you rule so much this was probably one of those times.

Re: hu 5/10 river decisions vs fsuplayer - deepish
 

this is a donk bet. dont donk bet players like FSU. bet more on river, or chk.

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on the river i like to make thin value bets against good players because it pisses them off, and makes me happy.

thankfully fsu didn't know this at the time, and therefore i didn't think he would attempt a river checkraise when the gin-draw card hits the river.

i figure he assumes i am definitely checking behind AK and other one pair and two pair hands on this very ugly river.

so why would he checkraise a made draw when common logic suggests i am checking behind? i think he would have lead right into me for value on the river.

he checkraised, i go into tank, tell him no hand he can have and call.

Q high no good for donkey fsu and he goes busto.

*p.s. fsu then went on to work me. but more so for my inability to hit straight draws, than making calls like this.

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Q-high no draws? He called the turn with the intention of checkraising the river with <2xpot stacks?

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Q-high no draws? He called the turn with the intention of checkraising the river with <2xpot stacks?

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must have had Qj or Qt i suppose

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qj/qt clubs is possible

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You are ahead about 1/100 times here. Obviously cos you rule so much this was probably one of those times.

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F i'm good.

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You are ahead about 7/8 times here. Obviously cos you rule so much this was probably one of those times.

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F i think i'm good.

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toughness.

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If this is really what went through your head I hope to god I draw you in this HU tournament.

I like FSU's line and you were just flat out guessing here.

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he checkraised, i go into tank, tell him no hand he can have and call.

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have fun thinking like this in big NL games.

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oh and by the way you didnt at all respond to kane's post. A value bet is not in anyway associated with a bet size. A pot sized bet here is a much stronger move, I agree with Kane. Your bet is really dumb unless you purposely did it to induce action, and given the insight you provided into your thinking process I'm going to vote you just got lucky here.

-Jason

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qj/qt clubs is possible

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winner.QT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

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strassa:
betting the pot here will induce a bluff 0% of the time.

when he calls my turn raise of his turn lead into me what does he have? strong draw or K or smaller two pair?

then he checks the ultimate draw-completing river to me when his hand looks like a big draw knowing it is going to be very slim for me to valuebet? didn't sync up.

but hey, your comments were quite insightful and much appreciated.

i too would not mind drawing you in the hu tourney. but only if you promise to stack off with one pair.

win or lose, i loved you in "Road Trip" and "The New Guy", and would enjoy an autographed 8x10, thanks.

http://www.cinema.com/image_lib/3948_djqualls_thumb.jpg

a fan for life,
chuddo

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an AIM conversation lapoker and I just had:


lapoker: chuddo got lamb basted in that hand he posted v you

fsuplayer: yeah. problem was, it was a practice HU tourney thing, and i was watching tv and had just gotten stoned, so i thought we were just completely [censored] around, like, not serious at all
lapoker: HAHAHAHAHAHA
lapoker: awesome
fsuplayer: turns out we werent, so i waxed his ass quickly in the next two.

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and i was watching tv and had just gotten stoned

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I was talking to another 2+2er that you don't know at all about how he has never smoked weed, and he replied, "I don't want to start smoking and like it too much and end up like fsuplayer"

ouch!

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this is factually accurate, but i don't think i would ever spell lambasted like that. although i sort of like "lamb basted" and might start using it now.

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this is factually accurate, but i don't think i would ever spell lambasted like that. although i sort of like "lamb basted" and might start using it now.

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funny cause as i read that i was thinkng, WTF?
doesnt seem like him to misspell.

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I stopped reading that posted at "lamb basted" and then when I finished reading, I went back and stared at it some more.

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this is factually accurate, but i don't think i would ever spell lambasted like that. although i sort of like "lamb basted" and might start using it now.

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you had it as "amb basted" i believe. i took the (incorrect) liberty of adding an 'L'.

you know u cant use those fancy words with me.
i thought maybe it was a saying id never heard of.

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haha

good post.

Anyway, I think the point I'm trying to make here is that betting to induce a bluff then calling is probably a poor idea, unless you think you can make very good decisions when faced with a river CR.

Re: hu 5/10 river decisions vs fsuplayer - deepish
 

You must have bet the river to induce a bluff so you should now call. IF that's not the case, then I think it's a bad bet on the river. Check behind.