beginner book
 

what's the best book for a person who is an advanced hold'em player but wants to get into 7card stud?

i understand poker concepts, but i dont think im an "advanced 7 card stud" player, so not ready for the two plus two book.

Can anyone recommend me a beginner 7card stud book?

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If you understand basic poker from playing holod'em 7csfap wouldn't be bad to start out with. If you think it will be, Roy West's book is decent. If your looking for a real play by play book that tells you the exact moves for whatever situation then check out Konstantine Otmer's book. But West's is the best beginner book I think.

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Hi preiserone:

I disagree. As long as you are playing stud with a decent sized ante, which usually means a structure similar to $15-$30 or higher where the ante is $2 and the bring-in is $5, there is no beginner book that makes sense. That's because in these games you can't just play very tight and conservative and have any chance of winning.

On the other hand, if you are going to play in a game where the ante structure is small relative to the bets, then a book like that written by West will be okay.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Good point, I didn't put much thought into game structure. It is tough to find a book if your playing 1/2 on party.

Personally I went straight to 7csfap after ToP, not all of the concepts apply to low limit but it is a great book and you can figure out what needs to be changed in your game to adapt to the structure.

Thanks Mason

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Here's the path I took FWIW:
-Read West's book, learned the game at lower limits.
-Read 7CSFAP several times (its either on my nightstand or in the bathroom), but I only have the roll to play up to 6/12, so I'm guessing some of the concepts in the book don't quite fit the level I am at.

I have taken quite the liking for stud. It's much more stimulating than hold'em for me. Good luck.

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If you're really an advanced hold'em player, or even if you're half-decent for that matter, then 7CS4AP should be well within your grasp. I don't think any of the so-called beginners' books are worth a crap.

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thanks for your opions, I guess i'll just pick up both west's book and 7card stud for advanced players and read em both.

any other suggestions?

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I hate reading poker books, but just finished a quick read of Roy West’s book.

It was very readable and I enjoyed his folksy or what ever, writing style. At least he put some personality into his book.

Some of his advice might be a little suspect though. He has some advice about folding fourth that doesn’t seem quite right to me.

I’m going to read it again more thoroughly, probably over Christmas break, and may post some questions about his advice.

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If you already own the original Super System, check out Chip Reese’s chapter on 7 Card Stud.

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I would suggest West's book, followed by posting hands on here. Although some of the advice is possibly on the weak-tight side, the big advantage that it has over 7CSFAP is that it goes into playing 4th-7th streets in quite a lot more detail. Maybe if you are a genuine all-round poker player you won't need this, but I think its certainly useful while you're learning.

Also, I hesitate to disagree with Mason, but I think that the low limit games with a reasonably high ante, such as the 3/6 on Party ($0.50 ante, $1 bring-in) can be beaten for a reasonable rate just by playing tight, due to the number of bad players you'll find there.

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It's already been mentioned,but let me emphasize again that Chip Reese's chapter on stud in the old Super System is very good. Good luck.

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I wrote a book on 7-stud that has been trashed on this forum [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]). Seriously, it has some flaws, but is geared for the beginning player. It needs to have some greater depth to it, which I would add if there was a second version, specifically on playing in high-ante games, raising on the come, buying a free card, and a more in-depth discussion of odds. I feel my second effort was much improved, but this is only avaialbe as an e-book and covers stud 8. Both books are geared for low-stakes play only. My discussions on this forum with those who read the book and criticized it were helpful, and now 3 years later, it's easy to look back on it and see what needs some adjustment.

My collegue Ashely Adams also has a good book on 7-stud, and we both write at pokermagazine.com, and have columns on stud I think you might find helpful.

Say hi if you're ever down at Canterbury Park [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img])
Regards,
Paul

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I'm' sorry to be rude (especially as a fellow author) but the Kammen book is very bad and will set you back. Much of the advice is just flat wrong. The Adams book is better, but still not as good as West. Yes, the West book is flawed in that it tells you to play overly tight. You will need to adjust to the other players and the ante. But it is excellent in introducing pretty advanced strategy ideas about odds, play of hands and hand reading on a basic level. After that, read SCSFAP, which btw is also flawed and by no means "the book" but has a lot of really excellent strategic insight. And the Chip Reese chapter in Super System. A glance at the charts in Othmer is worthwhile, but not not required.