Blind Battles: Hand #1
 

i think ive spotted a leak in my game in common blind battle situations. it could just be that im running bad in these blind situations but i feel like i might be getting exploited. so im gonna start posting a series of blind hands and you guys tell me what you think.

SB is unknown and unknowns usually mean fish. this is an aggressive game in general.

SB raises, I call in the BB with Q5s.

Flop is A85r

SB bets, Hero calls

Turn is a K

SB bets, Hero raises with the intention of folding to a 3bet and checking river.


How is this line? Sometimes I raise this flop and sometimes I fold the turn.

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I guess your line seems ok. You get him to fold a lot of pairs that beat you sometimes I think. I usually raise the flop though. I would rather take this down as quick as possible.

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i think u should prob just let it go on the turn... u called a flop bet on that dry board and he doesnt care.

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i like the line a lot more if the K didnt fall of course. with the K falling, its a very close decision. a fold may be better, but im not putting much weight behind that.

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I guess your line seems ok. You get him to fold a lot of pairs that beat you sometimes I think. I usually raise the flop though. I would rather take this down as quick as possible.

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This happens almost never at the games tstone plays...noone is folding an 8 there. mayyyybe a 5 but we have the best 5 so that's moot. There's def an argument to be made that a raise is good for metagame but there aren't many 6 outers b/c many will have a gutshot...if we're going to proceed b/c villain is capable of firing multiple-street bluffs then I think calling down is probably best.

Surf

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i think if you play your hand this way you every time you will lose a decent amount of money.

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I guess your line seems ok. You get him to fold a lot of pairs that beat you sometimes I think. I usually raise the flop though. I would rather take this down as quick as possible.

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No way he gets credit for an ace here rasing the flop. Maybe a super weak off suit ace. Honestly a decent player will put him on an 8 or 5 regardless if he raises the K turn or not. Pretty dry flop to call, unless he has a gutshot.

Id raise flop, if he 3bets, call. Id say weakest made hand u get 3bet here with is 66. The only other thing I can think of that might 3bet u here is KQ, KJ. Hard to say. But I think a flop raise and if u get 3bet, folding the turn is good.

EDIT: missed the read that the guy was unknown. If thats the case unless hes a tard, u are probably not getting 3bet by a hand that u are beating.

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I guess your line seems ok. You get him to fold a lot of pairs that beat you sometimes I think. I usually raise the flop though. I would rather take this down as quick as possible.

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This happens almost never at the games tstone plays...noone is folding an 8 there. mayyyybe a 5 but we have the best 5 so that's moot. There's def an argument to be made that a raise is good for metagame but there aren't many 6 outers b/c many will have a gutshot...if we're going to proceed b/c villain is capable of firing multiple-street bluffs then I think calling down is probably best.

Surf

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I agree--there's a lot to be said for calling down here, especially given the board.

scrub

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I would only run this line if I didn't feel comfortable folding the turn after a 3 bet on the flop. Thinking about it, though, that's actually quite often.

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spew spew spew.

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If you are going to continue with this hand it must be passively in my opinion. He will NEVER fold a hand that you want him to fold. If a six outer will keep betting it is your responsibility to let him do so in my opinion.

Cartman

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apparently I take the more aggressive approach in both of your hands Tstone. While my line plays back at your opponent and lets u fold "cheaper" it also has the sideeffect of stoppng bluffs and sometimes getting u to fold the best hand. But I really hate the c/c line. I use it, I just always dislike using it. Because u flop a pair, it goes c/c, c/c, villian checks behind (power of position baby, sometimes u miss bets without it). Where u CR, bet turn, bet river u get more, but also can be putting in more behind.

Let me know what your thoughts are.

Forgot to mention, as it was played, Id probably just call down.

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Those of you who are suggesting a calldown after the turn card, what range are you putting villain on?

Because calling the turn seems to me the worst of the three options.

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hi oreo. this is why i have been playing less and less hands out of position against good opponents. i think their positional advantage is worth more than the .5SB i have invested in ALOT of cases. just as you mentioned, in this hand i lose more bets when behind then i gain when ahead. thats a huge disadvantage.

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Those of you who are suggesting a calldown after the turn card, what range are you putting villain on?

Because calling the turn seems to me the worst of the three options.

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An extremely wide range of openraising hands and a psychological inability to give up when Tstone peels.

scrub