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i have forgotten (or maybe i never knew) how to play poker. i have moved down to 3/6 6 max and have lost 500BB in my last 18K hands. I have had a few people (tolbiny for one) sweat me, and so far no one sees any major errors, but i want to be sure. i am going to attempt to make a video of my play and post it (i am a dumdum with computers.) if you would watch it and tell me where i am f%&*ing up i would apprecaite it. i hope to have it up in a day.

thanks,
bob

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Good luck mate,
POKhER.
p.s. i want to sweat you one day, i think i'll learn more than you... But if i question you're play maybe you'll learn to [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]?

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From the quality of your posts, I would find it hard to imagine you are really a loser at 3/6. It is really hard to just write off your results when you have had such serious losses, but I think you just need to keep grinding. Posting this video will be good, and continue to post strategy. I know it must be extremely frustrating, and you probably feel worse than the guy in your avatar, but I think you should just have a "clean" start. Start a new database, and track your results from now.

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I'm pretty surprised to hear about your continued losing streaks. Back when I was at 1/2 and you were at 5/10 thinking of going up to 10/20, I used to lurk HUSH quite a bit. I always found your advice to be spot on, and figured you to be a very good player. I'm sure part of it has to be tilt and suboptimal play due to stress, but I'm sure you already know that. I can't imagine that you are not a winner at 3/6 when playing your best. If it's any reassurance, go stare at NLSoldier's 800BB downswing graph for a while. It could be possible that you actually are DERG, and on the ass end of the variance lottery. Keep at it, and I'm sure it will turn around.

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i am up $17 over my last 100k hands.

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I am up $17 over my last 1 hand.

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i am up $17 over my last 100k hands.

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You serious? Can you post a PT stats post. I think this would be comforting to everyone on swings and i'm very curious to see it!

What stakes mate?

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Why dont you move back to full ring? Dont you feel more confident there anyways? I suck at 6max and everytime I try to switch to it as my main game I get frustrated and go back to full ring.

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i am up $17 over my last 100k hands.

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You serious? Can you post a PT stats post. I think this would be comforting to everyone on swings and i'm very curious to see it!

What stakes mate?

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Why dont you move back to full ring?

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i played a little 3/6 full about a month ago....lost 100BB in 1200 hands. i suck at all forms of poker.

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Try changing your avatar.

Sorry if it seems like a stupid suggestion, but sometimes a small, symbolic gesture can be the catalyst for a shift in thinking and feeling that turns things around.

I'm rooting for you.

/mc

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Sorry if it seems like a stupid suggestion, but sometimes a small, symbolic gesture can be the catalyst for a shift in thinking and feeling that turns things around.


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i agree, that is why tonight i am going to go out and bang a fat girl.

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i am up $17 over my last 100k hands.

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You serious? Can you post a PT stats post. I think this would be comforting to everyone on swings and i'm very curious to see it!

What stakes mate?

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i might post them sometime but bottom line is i have respectable wins at 5/10 6max and total slaughterhouse at 10/20 and 15/30...my bb/100 is >1 over that stretch

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Sorry if it seems like a stupid suggestion, but sometimes a small, symbolic gesture can be the catalyst for a shift in thinking and feeling that turns things around.


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i agree, that is why tonight i am going to go out and bang a fat girl.

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the ol slumpbuster, great move

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woah. I just realized that this whole time I was confusing you with MicroBob and thus secretly taking delight in your poker struggles. Upon closer inspection, send me a block of hands and I'll review them for you.

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i am up $17 over my last 100k hands.

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You serious? Can you post a PT stats post. I think this would be comforting to everyone on swings and i'm very curious to see it!

What stakes mate?

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i might post them sometime but bottom line is i have respectable wins at 5/10 6max and total slaughterhouse at 10/20 and 15/30...my bb/100 is >1 over that stretch

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This happened to me when I first started taking shots at 10/20. Every few days i'd drop down to 5/10 and have an absolutely killer session, like +60BB in 1500 hands, then the bleeding would continue at 10/20. What resulted was a ridiculously sharp upswing over like 7k hands at 5/10, while if you filter for 10/20 only you get 14k hands, -400BB. That type of stuff can really mess with your head.

Surf

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Sorry if it seems like a stupid suggestion, but sometimes a small, symbolic gesture can be the catalyst for a shift in thinking and feeling that turns things around.


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i agree, that is why tonight i am going to go out and bang a fat girl.

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ROFL!

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gl Bob, you can do it.

As an honest question, how much does tilt, MUBS, etc get to you? I agree with MC that it may be time to get a new avatar, maybe a photoshopped pokerpatterns graph of an absurdly large upswing, cartoon-arrow style.

Surf

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I think PBob is a better player than me so I don't think this is really 1-upping him...but I'm now down 645BB's in my last 44k hands.


I think it's something to do with the whole 'Bob' thing.


Sooner or later Bob and I will get it together again and everyone else should watch the hell out!! but for now...we're easy money.


I too find it hard to believe that Bob is actually playing a losing game.
He might be making some weak-tigher decisions due to the losing streak...but not so much so that he's playing a losing game.

I get on a table with almost all 45/10's...and lose, lose, lose!!!
I'm thinking that, unfortunately, it just goes that way sometimes.

the destruction to one's confidence is a huge factor too imo.


Some other suggestions that were given to me:
- Play some B&M low-limit just to slow-down, relax, think about the hands a little bit, change perspective.
- Play some low buy-in tourneys for less pressure, more fun, less fear of losing another 50BB's YET AGAIN. etc etc.


I think PBob is clearly doing everything he can to ask Q's and correct his flaws.

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gl Bob, you can do it.

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surfbullet you are usually spot on, but this is a bit condescending.

of course Bob can bang a fat chick.

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As an honest question, how much does tilt, MUBS, etc get to you?

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i really don't know anymore. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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gl Bob, you can do it.

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surfbullet you are usually spot on, but this is a bit condescending.

of course Bob can bang a fat chick.

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touché.

Surf

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As an honest question, how much does tilt, MUBS, etc get to you?

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i really don't know anymore. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Okay, so here's a little test:

AJo. raise pf, coldcalled by 40/10/1.5. flop JK2r. bet/call. Turn T, brings 2flush. What goes through your head?

A) I should bet because he'll call with a J, straight draw that just paired, PPs, sometmies A-hi. Gotta protect my hand, too.
B) I could bet... but it would suck SO much to get raised and i might have to fold... i dunno...i feel like i should bet...no just check and get to showdown cheap.
C) Man that Halle Berry chick is hot.
D) This TV show sure is interesting
E) Nothing, you just click whatever seems best at that moment.
F) Did I raise preflop or did he?

Surf

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What's MUBS??

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A

edit: and C

Wait, did villain raise the flop or did it go bet and a call.

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What's MUBS??

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Monsters Under the Bed Syndrome.

Surf

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Gah, you guys in SSSH are tooo good. Inspite of what tporoor bob says, I can't lock this. there's too mcuh cguooo d tstuff here.

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- Play some B&M low-limit just to slow-down, relax, think about the hands a little bit, change perspective.


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Hey MicroBob,

I understand why many people think this is a good idea for a mostly online player, but I think it could lead to bad news. As a 3/6 multitabler (6max and full) I think that live play will lead to bad news. When I play even 10/20 live, I get bored and start playing silly hands. I think the faster pace of online poker is needed to keep online players sane a lot of the time.

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That is somewhat true.
I don't play too much live because it kind of bores me much of the time.

I just remember playing a lot of live when I was in Vegas for the WSOP. I busted out on the first day so had lots of extra time to make my poker income the old-fashioned way. I had also bought a few poker books there (including Middle Limit Holdem by Ciaffone).

I didn't really expect it...but the combination of reading some new material (to me) and playing all that live poker really seemed to be helping me see the game more clearly.
Then again, I was running pretty well too at that time...and if it really did help my game it certainly didn't last very long as my play is totally in the crapper now.

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gl Bob, you can do it.

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surfbullet you are usually spot on, but this is a bit condescending.

of course Bob can bang a fat chick.

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this is exactly what went through my head too. Good to know all of us SSHUSHers are on the same page...

Hope it turns around soon Bob, i'd love to see a video of your work. We're feeling for you.

It's tomorrow, what's the over/under on your chick? I reckon 180lbs.

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180lb is not really a fat fat chick,(although it is if she's like 3ft tall.) 180lb is a chick who doesn't get it very often and will appreciate it more.

With regards to Bobs post,I have always read your posts with interest as you moved up through the limits at quite similar times to my self, although you also moved up to 10/20, I have played 360,000 hands so far this year and the last 45,000 or so suck, my first 80 - 90,000 hands at 5-10 I ran at a not exactly earth moving 1BB/100 even this included a run when I lost $2500, thankfully the extreme misfortune of that run, yo yoed right back in about 2 days.

Then two months ago, started the month of and lost every day for 6 or 7 days, -$2400, then for personal reasons and the fkin party cr@p, couldn't play as much as usual, so ended up the month 1300 down, Next month same sorts start 5 days of total cr@p $3000 down, then the rest of the month trying to get the hands in to climb out of the gutter.

So this got me thinking a lot about my game, which happens when you feel like maybe you never knew anything in the first place, I sometimes think maybe i was just lucky to have 13 winning months before.

So the 2 areas I have started to focus on are my blind stealing and defence, My steal attempted had been an anemic 28-29%, while my defence was not to bad at 55 - 58% but one thing I realised was that due to lack of confindence, I had become more weak tight post flop, Not applying pressure enough, being to predictable, not ever making anyone at the table wish I wasn't there.

The second thing I am working on I call subtle tilt, not the sort of mad tilt when you lose one hand to a chaser with 2 outs, the kind of tilt that creeps up on you, when you lose hand after hand regardless of how dominated you have your opponent, this tilt just catches you so you start to question your every action, play scared, stop stealing cos your gonna lose anyways, start hating the god damn website for pickin on you, start praying for just one hand hand to hold up against the useless idiot, who keeps catchin hand after hand.

But this tilt is what actually costs me, cos all it takes is a burst a spraying chips and you really don't have to spray very many, say ten or so, to ruin the winrate of a 1000 hands.

P.s sorry if my post rambles on. But maybe some things in it will make you think of things that you may or may not be doing.

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gl Bob, you can do it.

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surfbullet you are usually spot on, but this is a bit condescending.

of course Bob can bang a fat chick.

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How is that condescending? I am curious.

And Bob, switch the change to your other pocket ala tin cup.

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"How is that condescending? "

I think you missed the joke doc

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I think PBob is a better player than me so I don't think this is really 1-upping him...but I'm now down 645BB's in my last 44k hands.


I think it's something to do with the whole 'Bob' thing.


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I'm not trying to be a dick at all-so dont take it that way..I think this just needs to be said. I know your being somewhat sarcastic here...but 650bb downswing is due to playing bad not varience. Even if you were a proven winner in the past..this doesnt mean your game hasnt changed somewhat and is now causing you to not play as goot.

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try a switch to NL for a week or two. It helps me whenever Im in a downswing that I feel I never can get out of.

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I have no advice. I just wish you well and hope you turn it around soon.

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I'm pretty sure I said this also (if not in this post, then in others)

I'm not using the 'variance' excuse whereas I suspect it probably applies in PBob's case (although I suspect his frustration is effecting his game too).


However, there are some pretty good players who have had downswings in the 600BB range.

I think Victor closed in on that at one point.
As did BicycleKick.


If it's possible to have a 300BB down-swing then it certainly isn't so impossible to have a couple back to back.


But again...this is for a winning player. For a player who is clearly playing a losing game to blame the losses on 'variance' would be pretty self-delusional (however, I think I see it happen all the time around here).

It truly sucky player to drop that many BB's at 5/10 and lower.


I also wanted to mention that I too believe that PBob can bang a fat chick and I wish him luck.
And that 180 lbs lsn't super-fat if she's like 6'3" or something. That sounds like a wild night to me.

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I'm having these downswing problems as well as the others in this thread. I've had notable players watch me play and have taken care to evaluate my play as objectively as possible. I'm far from perfect, but no one has seen any decision making that would result in the loss of hundreds of BBs. Sometimes you just get crushed over and over. This is combined with missing a ton of flops in hands that are 3 handed + to the turn, missed draws, etc etc. It just sucks. It's frustrating to sit at a table full of 40+/xx/xx and NOT win.

So, while I think we should never look at downswings and NOT be careful to examine our play and fix what might be broke, sometimes you seriously can't do a thing about it. I'm still waiting to have my 50-100k of just running plain good. Shoot, running NORMAL would be grand for that long. Let's just face it, we're all pretty limited by our experiences as individuals and as a community (that is to say, do we really know what an acceptable number would be for a downswing that isn't based on the limited results of one another?). Collectively, we'll obviously be able to at least figure out the possibilities and to work from there.

If I'm at all out of line with these ideas, then I apologize and look foward to my edu-ma-cation. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I refuse refuse refuse to believe you're playing taht badly. I've sweated you numerous times and on a couple times have even said "yeah I like the way you played that hand better than the way I would have played it." I'm not trying to build you up or kiss your ass here...just tellin it like it is.

I'm off to canterbury now...you should come sit by me and sweat eachothers hands...might help ya.

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I think PBob is a better player than me so I don't think this is really 1-upping him...but I'm now down 645BB's in my last 44k hands.


I think it's something to do with the whole 'Bob' thing.

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uh oh