Why are people raising preflop on the PP bad beat tables?
 

Doesnt this seem retarded? You want the most amount of people playing as it increases the chances of someone hitting.

Sometimes I am amazed at the amount of stupidity on PP.

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The chances of winning a bad beat jackpot? Extremely low.

The chances of winning money off the dopes that play on bad beat jackpot tables? Extremely high.

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Doesnt this seem retarded? You want the most amount of people playing as it increases the chances of someone hitting.

Sometimes I am amazed at the amount of stupidity that comes out of my mouth in a forum that I said I'd never come back to.

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FYP

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Playing on the BBJ Tables for the BBJ is stupid. You play there for the amazing BBJ fish.

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Doesnt this seem retarded? You want the most amount of people playing as it increases the chances of someone hitting.

Sometimes I am amazed at the amount of stupidity on PP.

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This is not intended as a flame, although you will surely take it as such. The fact that you made this post, and actually think that raising preflop on the bbj tables is "stupid" indicates that you really really really do not understand the game of poker, or even how to gamble in a +EV way online. This is why you think it is rigged.

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This is mostly what I thought as well.
That this logic just shows a gross misunderstanding of poker.

We had a discussion about this type of thing in the B&M forum a while back too.
I played at a 7-card stud table while waiting for a Hold-em seat to open up (in Tunica) and there was one lady there who was playing JUST for the bad-beat (because on 7-stud it was getting pretty high) and she would berate anyone who raised on any street and ask them "Don't you want to win the jackpot?? I know I do. Guess you don't care about the jackpot." (etc etc etc). Naturally I kept raising when I felt it was appropriate and she was getting pretty fed-up with me...but the feelings were mutual.


It does bring up a semi-interesting point though.
I suspect there actually IS a point where the BBJ is high enough where no raising as a group would be mostly correct.
I suspect the jackpot would have to be about a million-gazillion dollars for this to be the case though and I doubt it's possible to truly figure it out.


As it stands...the jackpot is large enough to be +EV for the $0.50 extra put in each raked-hand...but it's not so much so that you should sacrifice any EV of your regular play in some sort of attempt to hit it.
The chances of still hitting the jackpot don't go down that much when you raise. The chances of you increasing your ability to win money in the actual poker itself go up dramatically with correct raising...and some of the jackpot raisers may cold-call you with their 65s anyway which is even better for you.

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Doesnt this seem retarded? You want the most amount of people playing as it increases the chances of someone hitting.

Sometimes I am amazed at the amount of stupidity that comes out of my mouth in a forum that I said I'd never come back to.

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FYP

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Why is it a stupid thing to ask? It is a common sense conclusion that baffled me.

Big tough guy hiding behind his keyboard. Go get some more acne cream with all your winnings and a penis pump.

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Doesnt this seem retarded? You want the most amount of people playing as it increases the chances of someone hitting.

Sometimes I am amazed at the amount of stupidity that comes out of my mouth in a forum that I said I'd never come back to.

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FYP

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Why is it a stupid thing to ask? It is a common sense conclusion that baffled me.

Big tough guy hiding behind his keyboard. Go get some more acne cream with all your winnings and a penis pump.

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I find it interesting that you always respond to the flame posts, but you never respond to the valid, well thought out posts that clearly point out why you are wrong. (Like the ones that Microbob and I posted).

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Doesnt this seem retarded? You want the most amount of people playing as it increases the chances of someone hitting.

Sometimes I am amazed at the amount of stupidity that comes out of my mouth in a forum that I said I'd never come back to.

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FYP

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Why is it a stupid thing to ask? It is a common sense conclusion that baffled me.

Big tough guy hiding behind his keyboard. Go get some more acne cream with all your winnings and a penis pump.

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I find it interesting that you always respond to the flame posts, but you never respond to the valid, well thought out posts that clearly point out why you are wrong. (Like the ones that Microbob and I posted).

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I agree with both of you.. That is why I did not respond.. Surprised you don't know my posting style by now.

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Doesnt this seem retarded? You want the most amount of people playing as it increases the chances of someone hitting.

Sometimes I am amazed at the amount of stupidity on PP.

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This post proves 100% that you are trolling. You had towed the line well prior to this, but you got greedy.

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Dear gabyyyyy,

Kindly cram it.

Love,
The Zoo

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does this logic mean that i should raise pf every hand so i will pay more rake so i will get higher rb each month?

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does this logic mean that i should raise pf every hand so i will pay more rake so i will get higher rb each month?

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Lets do some proof:
Raising = more rake
more rake = more rakeback
more rakeback= higher profits
therefore raising to increase the rake is mos def +EV!

Edit: why doesn't it say troll under gabyyyy's name?

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Doesnt this seem retarded? You want the most amount of people playing as it increases the chances of someone hitting.

Sometimes I am amazed at the amount of stupidity on PP.

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This post proves 100% that you are trolling. You had towed the line well prior to this, but you got greedy.

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What line was he towing and what was the towing destination?

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Doesnt this seem retarded? You want the most amount of people playing as it increases the chances of someone hitting.

Sometimes I am amazed at the amount of stupidity that comes out of my mouth in a forum that I said I'd never come back to.

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FYP

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Why is it a stupid thing to ask? It is a common sense conclusion that baffled me.

Big tough guy hiding behind his keyboard. Go get some more acne cream with all your winnings and a penis pump.

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I find it interesting that you always respond to the flame posts, but you never respond to the valid, well thought out posts that clearly point out why you are wrong. (Like the ones that Microbob and I posted).

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I agree with both of you.. That is why I did not respond.. Surprised you don't know my posting style by now.

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I get your posting style:
1)Say something rediculous you know isn't true
2)when people respond to say how stupid your thinking was you leave it alone
3)people insult you as a troll, you say something stupid again

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I get your posting style:
1)Say something rediculous you know isn't true
2)when people respond to say how stupid your thinking was you leave it alone
3)people insult you as a troll, you say something stupid again
4) Rinse and repeat


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does this logic mean that i should raise pf every hand so i will pay more rake so i will get higher rb each month?

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You clearly dont understand how RakeBack works. Simply raising every hand will drive people out of the pot and result in blind steals. The correct play is Limp-Reraise every hand, thereby making a large multiway pot.

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we used to have a guy that posted under the same name, but she left forever.

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A really stupid analogy...

say hypothetically it was raining quarters.... but Hard Copy is offering 1 million bucks to anyone with video tape of themselves getting hit by lightning, so rather than pick up the quarters you run around with a metal pole trying to get hit by lightning while your friend films you.

That's what playing badly and trying to hit the BBJ is like.

Just pick up the quarters.

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A really stupid analogy...

say hypothetically it was raining quarters.... but Hard Copy is offering 1 million bucks to anyone with video tape of themselves getting hit by lightning, so rather than pick up the quarters you run around with a metal pole trying to get hit by lightning while your friend films you.

That's what playing badly and trying to hit the BBJ is like.

Just pick up the quarters.

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I might just be tired but that cracked me up.

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I think a lot of that depends on what the qualifying conditions for the badbeat are. On Partypoker it is 4 of a kind 8's or better losing, use 2 from hand.

Which means the only hands that would really help to hit that are pocket pairs and suited connectors. You could in theory hit it with Ax or Kx on a 88899 board (pocket 9's beating K8).

A raise isn't going to drive out any pocket pair 8's or better, and many suited connectors will call as well. (especially if you are raising from position like most people would be). So it doesn't really lower your chances of hitting the Bad Beat.. and it does raise your win rate. So win/win!

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Doesnt this seem retarded? You want the most amount of people playing as it increases the chances of someone hitting.

Sometimes I am amazed at the amount of stupidity on PP.

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Why? because they will call your raise reguardless. Raising will not deter players from seeing a flop.

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A really stupid analogy...

say hypothetically it was raining quarters.... but Hard Copy is offering 1 million bucks to anyone with video tape of themselves getting hit by lightning, so rather than pick up the quarters you run around with a metal pole trying to get hit by lightning while your friend films you.

That's what playing badly and trying to hit the BBJ is like.

Just pick up the quarters.

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POTM.

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Doesnt this seem retarded? You want the most amount of people playing as it increases the chances of someone hitting.

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is your post a joke to bait people? youve been on 2+2 for 2 years and you ask this. cmon youre kidding, right?

bwana

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A really stupid analogy...

say hypothetically it was raining quarters.... but Hard Copy is offering 1 million bucks to anyone with video tape of themselves getting hit by lightning, so rather than pick up the quarters you run around with a metal pole trying to get hit by lightning while your friend films you.

That's what playing badly and trying to hit the BBJ is like.

Just pick up the quarters.

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I wish I had said this.

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A really stupid analogy...

say hypothetically it was raining quarters.... but Hard Copy is offering 1 million bucks to anyone with video tape of themselves getting hit by lightning, so rather than pick up the quarters you run around with a metal pole trying to get hit by lightning while your friend films you.

That's what playing badly and trying to hit the BBJ is like.

Just pick up the quarters.

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I wish I had said this.

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LOL

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A really stupid analogy...

say hypothetically it was raining quarters.... but Hard Copy is offering 1 million bucks to anyone with video tape of themselves getting hit by lightning, so rather than pick up the quarters you run around with a metal pole trying to get hit by lightning while your friend films you.

That's what playing badly and trying to hit the BBJ is like.

Just pick up the quarters.

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I wish I had said this.

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LOL

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3rd'ed, this was brilliant.

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A really stupid analogy...

say hypothetically it was raining quarters.... but Hard Copy is offering 1 million bucks to anyone with video tape of themselves getting hit by lightning, so rather than pick up the quarters you run around with a metal pole trying to get hit by lightning while your friend films you.

That's what playing badly and trying to hit the BBJ is like.

Just pick up the quarters.

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A true classic.

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Which means the only hands that would really help to hit that are pocket pairs and suited connectors. You could in theory hit it with Ax or Kx on a 88899 board (pocket 9's beating K8).

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you can also hit it with 32s...or even 75s (board of 4689T, opponent holds JQs).


not that it's so much worth it to make it worthwhile to change your play...but raising DOES in fact fold out hands that could otherwise qualify.


I even folded 99 one time when the first 3 players had it capped before it got to me. Flop came 998 and I was getting ready to kill myself...then T on the turn and three hearts for a straight-flush possibility....but nobody had cards that would have made the bad-beat and I only lost out on a nice pot.
Easier to stomach missing out on $100 than it is $100k or so.

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the only hands that would really help to hit that are pocket pairs and suited connectors

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That's just plain wrong. Bob has mentioned some more, but there are many hands that can make a jackpot. Any two cards 8 through K, 86o, A3, most low suited cards in SF range that don't prevent the wheel. If you think it through, there are more hands that can make a JP than can't.

The fact that the games become so tight and so aggressive when the jackpot is high is very strange. It can't be explained by people trying to take advantage of the loose JP fishies because the loose games don't exist when the JP is high, as a quick look at the lobby shows a list of $2/4 games with average pots well under $20.

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you can also hit it with 32s...or even 75s (board of 4689T, opponent holds JQs).

Doesn't the 75s hand have a T high straight flush 6789T
that wouldn't qualify. It could Qualify on a 643XX or 684XX or 986XX(with no T of the suit) board given that XX was a pair qualifying if it quads.