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I just had this happen to me. Made me sick. But I'm thinking it could be a good move.

I raised preflop from early position like 4x the BB. Giving away a decent amount of info about my hand (KK).
The guy to my immediate left calls with 47 suited.

He goes on to hit a 4 and a 7 on the flop and since it is a rainbow with no flush or strt out there I pay him off thinking top pair Queens.


I could have given him credit for the set but I didn't. Maybe this isn't a good move but it extracted a lot of my chips. Does anyone here do this? Make a statistically bad move once in a while to take a stab at someones stack? just wondering

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yes. all the time.

it's called implied odds and they are the reason i am successful at NL hold 'em.

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yes. all the time.

it's called implied odds and they are the reason i am successful at NL hold 'em.

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Calling 4x the BB wiht 47 isn't implied odds imo, it's donkey. You'd have to be 100% certian you could get %100 of your opponents chips into the middle everytime you hit it, otherwise... just... no. Are you telling him to start playing 47?

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How many players were in this? What type of action?

Assuming he takes a placid line against you, then it isn't a fault of yours, and he can have my money too.

But honestly, how often will he get this?

Cambraceres

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I wasn't saying start play 47. But in a situation where a player gives away too much info about a hand by the way they played it, may it be correct to take a stab with less than the best cards?

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It was 5 handed, and it was a pretty donk move. Later the same thing happened but i had QQ and he paid me off with top pair 10s.

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I wasn't saying start play 47. But in a situation where a player gives away too much info about a hand by the way they played it, may it be correct to take a stab with less than the best cards?

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first of all i doubt that they can narrow your hand range down that much just because you raised 4x bb preflop. their line of thought was probably something like "[censored] he raised, but i'll call because they're soooooted!". then the flop comes Q74. "sweet bottom 2 pair, i hope he has AQ/AA/KK. i'm going for broke here".

secondly, if you're truly playing against opponents that can narrow your holdings down to a very narrow range of cards after 1 street then either start raising a wider range of hands preflop or play against opponents that aren't this good.

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yes. all the time.

it's called implied odds and they are the reason i am successful at NL hold 'em.

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Calling 4x the BB wiht 47 isn't implied odds imo, it's donkey. You'd have to be 100% certian you could get %100 of your opponents chips into the middle everytime you hit it, otherwise... just... no. Are you telling him to start playing 47?

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depends on stack size and position plus opponents' tendencies postflop. for example if he raises very wide preflop and i have position i can justify calling it sometimes knowing that he won't be able to stand a flop or a turn raise from me.

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That's why small pairs can be played against raises (they hit more often and win more often than junk 2-pair hands) and suited connectors (flush/straight/2-pair).

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The difference between 47 and 45 is not really all that much. It is infact two straights; and that is all.

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The difference between 47 and 45 is not really all that much. It is infact two straights; and that is all.

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Yes, but you rarely flop a straight, you flop straight draws. There are 3 ways to flop an open-end straight draw with 45 but only 1 way with 47. To me, that makes 45 around 3 times more valuable. 47 is junk as far as straight draws go unless you flop 56x, which only happens about 0.6% of the time.

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45 flops an oesd on 23x, 36x, 67x boards.
45 flops a guthshot on A2x, A3x, 37x, 68x, 78x boards.

47 flops an oesd on 56x boards.
47 flops a gutshot on 35x, 36x, 58x, 68x boards.

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That would be fine if you folded every time you did not hit a straight or a straight draw but straight making is only a small part of your hands potential. Flush making and two pair making are atleast as big a part of it.

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I will gaurantee that 47s is not profitable in the long run... GAURANTEE.

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That is a VERY stupid statement. Give me 1000x the BB stacks and any hand vs some opponents can be +EV.

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That is a VERY stupid statement. Give me 1000x the BB stacks and any hand vs some opponents can be +EV.

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any 2 can be profitable in the correct situation.

the problem w/ your statement is the games that we play in r 100bb capped, and that cuts down on the implied odds u speak of. imo sc's are way overrated in ssnl...

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any 2 can be profitable in the correct situation. "

True that.

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should i even respond to this?

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Ok... feel free to play 47s whenever you are up against 1000bb stacks and an opponent who is willing to stack off with one pair.