Correct fold?
 

Villain isn't more aggresive than the standard good player and he don't overplay his hands from what I have seen.

Party Poker 0.50/1.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, Button calls.

From my read, perhaps I should just call.

Flop: (9.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

Not much to call. Or do you fold here?

Turn: (5.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero folds...

Standard? How many of you call down every street here? Or how do you play it differently.

Re: Correct fold?
 

I don't understand the PF cap-there's no need of it, you've already got isolation and you're OOP.

Since you capped and he lead, you're very rarely ahead here. What is he betting that you beat? Donking KQ? Unlikely. I fold, having only 2 outs the majority of the time here.

Re: Correct fold?
 

I don't understand the flop check at all. If you are going to check the flop after capping, it should be with the intention of check/folding.

I would bet the flop and turn with the plan of folding to a raise.

Also, this would be a good spot to know his steal &amp; defend numbers because while this isn't exactly a blind steal, you will get to see if he's into defending and re-stealing somewhat.

Re: Correct fold?
 

if you're going to cap pf you need to lead the flop.

fold the flop if you're unwilling to bet it.

Re: Correct fold?
 

The reason I capped it preflop is that he could very possible do a 3-bet here with Axs and A10+ since I am a LP raiser and villain is actually a pretty good player. I check/call the flop since that A surely hit him and for just a tiny bet I get to see the turn.

If the flop was Q high, I bet out here 100% of the time. I was sure I was beat here tho.

Re: Correct fold?
 

Bet/fold is magnificent here, I think. Checking induces billions of bluffs in a pot that large. c/c doesn't really help.

Re: Correct fold?
 

I don't cap PF OOP with 99.

When the A flops I can't see a hand an unknown 3bets that you are ahead of.

If villain isn't a calling station I think there's a reasonable chance he lays down TT-KK so I bet the flop -- if called I bet the turn.

I fold to a raise at any point.

If he calls the turn, I c/f river.



rgb

Re: Correct fold?
 

So getting 10.5:1 you peel when you say that you're sure the flop hit him? Not a good idea. If I cap preflop I'd bet this flop and hope he can fold something as nice as pocket queens or kings.

Re: Correct fold?
 

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I don't cap PF OOP with 99

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This isn't like there was a raise from UTG, a 3-bet from an MP player, and he capped from the SB. It's a different situation He is opening from MP3. A player on the button's 3-bet range here is wider. I think he often has the best hand, so the cap is not bad. He also keeps the initiative in the hand until he checks the flop.

Re: Correct fold?
 

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he could very possible do a 3-bet here with Axs and A10+ since I am a LP raiser and villain is actually a pretty good player.

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"Good" players at .5/1 don't iso-raise Axs preflop.

Re: Correct fold?
 

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I don't cap PF OOP with 99

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This isn't like there was a raise from UTG, a 3-bet from an MP player, and he capped from the SB. It's a different situation He is opening from MP3. A player on the button's 3-bet range here is wider. I think he often has the best hand, so the cap is not bad. He also keeps the initiative in the hand until he checks the flop.

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Good point. I'm changing my mind--capping isn't bad here.

Re: Correct fold?
 

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he could very possible do a 3-bet here with Axs and A10+ since I am a LP raiser and villain is actually a pretty good player.

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"Good" players at .5/1 don't iso-raise Axs preflop.

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They do against a LP raise from me. Forgot to say that.

Re: Correct fold?
 

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I don't cap PF OOP with 99

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This isn't like there was a raise from UTG, a 3-bet from an MP player, and he capped from the SB. It's a different situation He is opening from MP3. A player on the button's 3-bet range here is wider. I think he often has the best hand, so the cap is not bad. He also keeps the initiative in the hand until he checks the flop.

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Yeah, I see what you're getting at. Good points.


rgb

Re: Correct fold?
 

I'm not wild about capping out of position pre-flop...I probably wouldn't do it. 99 could be ahead, but how do you play it when one of the 20 overcards comes on the flop?

With capping PF, on the flop I think you have two choices...bet out or check-raise. If you get raised or 3-bet, then you can call and fold unimproved on the turn...or dump it right there.
You showed aggression pre-flop and shut it down on the flop...screaming 'I have an underpair'.

The way you played it, when you got to the turn, you had to fold.

Re: Correct fold?
 

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The reason I capped it preflop is that he could very possible do a 3-bet here with Axs and A10+ since I am a LP raiser and villain is actually a pretty good player. I check/call the flop since that A surely hit him and for just a tiny bet I get to see the turn.

If the flop was Q high, I bet out here 100% of the time. I was sure I was beat here tho.

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Then why'd you call his bet. You certainly weren't getting odds to a set and you are sure enough you're beat, what's the value in a call? At least a bet may get a hand better than ours to fold and if we are raised can safely let it go...

Re: Correct fold?
 

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I'm not wild about capping out of position pre-flop...I probably wouldn't do it. 99 could be ahead, but how do you play it when one of the 20 overcards comes on the flop?

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10, J and a Q won't scare me.

But yes, I see now that a bet/fold would be better for my flop action. I dont regret the preflop cap and I wont change until someone gives me a good explanation to why I shouldn't do it.

Re: Correct fold?
 

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The reason I capped it preflop is that he could very possible do a 3-bet here with Axs and A10+ since I am a LP raiser and villain is actually a pretty good player. I check/call the flop since that A surely hit him and for just a tiny bet I get to see the turn.

If the flop was Q high, I bet out here 100% of the time. I was sure I was beat here tho.

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Then you should fold. You don't have the odds to continue.

-Jaran

Re: Correct fold?
 

just raise-call preflop

check/fold the flop

Re: Correct fold?
 

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he could very possible do a 3-bet here with Axs and A10+ since I am a LP raiser and villain is actually a pretty good player.

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"Good" players at .5/1 don't iso-raise Axs preflop.

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you should have a fairly broad 3bet range OTB here, including Ax down to at least ATs, maybe a little lower

depends on how the MP3 tag plays I might really open up if MP3 plays weak postflop in general,