Seen enough to slow down?
 

Multitabling with no HUD. How far do you go before you slow down?

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (16 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB folds, Hero ...

Re: Seen enough to slow down?
 

Hero caps. With these hands I won't slow down until the turn--unless an Ace falls, in which case I 2-bet and call the re-raise.

Re: Seen enough to slow down?
 

I'd keep hammering it.

Re: Seen enough to slow down?
 

The times he has TT, JJ, QQ, or some random crap make this worth capping the flop. I'd slow down if raised again on the turn.

Re: Seen enough to slow down?
 

I slow down if I get 3-bet or checkraised on the turn...

Re: Seen enough to slow down?
 

Cap it! There is a good chance he is sitting with TT,JJ and QQ here thinking he got the best hand. I keep on betting. I may slow down on the turn if he keeps betting but if it's not a scare card coming, it's read dependant but since you have no reads, I slow down on the turn.

Re: Seen enough to slow down?
 

The SB 3-bet and he´s aggression on the flop indicates that you are up against two high pairs.

You beat:
qq 6
jj (discounted) 3
= 9 ways

You lose:
AA = 6 ways.

I would cap the flop. Raise the turn and call a 3-three bet. If villian 3-bets the turn think its more likely that you are facing aa, due to hes aggression post-flop combined with the infomation you gave by capping preflop.

Re: Seen enough to slow down?
 

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I slow down if I get 3-bet or checkraised on the turn...

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Re: Seen enough to slow down?
 

No reads. I've seen enough. It's HU. You're getting ~11:2 on a call down if behind. And he's going to continue to bet your hand for you if ahead.

I might consider raising the river, on a non-Ace board.

Re: Seen enough to slow down?
 

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Multitabling with no HUD. How far do you go before you slow down?

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (16 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB folds, Hero ...

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I feel like most players would play JJ-AA this way. Maybe even TT. Some really aggro players might even play AJ-AK this way, because after all, they have a straight draw! I think I cap the flop and re-evaluate on the turn.

Re: Seen enough to slow down?
 

My thoughts:

Getting 3-bet from SB preflop is much different from getting 3-bet from late position. I tend to give much more credit to those raises with no read. So when he 3-bet me, I had AA-QQ/AK in my mind. Too small of a range? Possibly.

When he 3-bet the flop, it was down to AA-QQ. Now if I were to cap, I would be betting the turn most of the time. If he were to check-raise me, I would be very certain he had AA, but it would still cost me 2 BB to call down (and I would, because there'e enough of a donk factor). On the other hand, by just calling the 3-bet, I encourage villain to keep betting no matter what he has, and now I also put myself in position to be more likely not losing at the showdown.

Here's my attempt to quantify what I'm saying:

When villain 3-bets me on the flop, I give him credit for 14 hands: AA (6), KK (1), QQ (6), JJ (1 - the outside chance he's much more aggressive than average). The pot is 22 SB when I'm facing the flop cap decision.

If I just call down, I expect him to continue betting all of these hands (plus I'm in position to value bet if he checks to me, so I'll get 1 bet in every street).

7 times I win 22+4 = 26 SB.
1 time I chop and win 11 SB.
6 times I lose 5 SB.
EV = 11.6 SB

If I cap, how does it play out?

If he donks the turn, I'm calling down because a 3-bet would be super scary. The estimates are about the same:

7 times I win 22+5 = 27 SB.
1 time I chop and win 11 SB.
6 times I lose 6 SB.
EV = 11.7 SB

If I get check-raised, the chances of him having a worse hand go down a bit. I'd dump the JJ and a third of the QQ hands.

4 times I win 22+9 = 31 SB
1 time I chop and win 11 SB
6 times I lose 8 SB
EV = 7.9 SB

What happened? I put myself in a position where I'm very likely losing, but compelled to pay it off. You don't want to drop a third (2) of the QQ hands? What if I just drop the JJ hands?

6 times I win 22+9 = 31 SB
1 time I chop and win 11 SB
6 times I lose 8 SB
EV = 11.5 SB

My EV *STILL* goes down below calling down in the first place. Dropping just one QQ hand makes the EV fall to 9.8 SB.

*Bump*
 

I think there are some ideas here worth pursuing a little further, but I first need to get some responses to my position.

Re: Seen enough to slow down?
 

Haven't read the thread, but personally I would cap the flop. If he leads into me again on the turn, then I call down (assuming I don't spike a K).

-Jaran

Edited to add I think I would fold an A or 5 turn, but call it on the river.

Re: Seen enough to slow down?
 

The Paradise/Reads whore is multitabling on Party? Fantastic.
I'd cap and call down from there. It'd suck if he C/R'd the turn w/ AA, but that won't happen very often because most people aren't that creative - ie - they either play AA really fast or really slow and don't make adjustments to the advantage of being OOP in this case.