It didn\'t seem stoooopid when I played it.
 

Party Poker 0.50/1.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(9 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls.

River: (5.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB.

Re: It didn\'t seem stoooopid when I played it.
 

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Party Poker 0.50/1.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(9 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls.

River: (5.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB.

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This is HIGHLY read dependent. What is MP2 like? If he's very loose and very passive, and is capable of calling down with any pair (or worse!), I like this.

Re: It didn\'t seem stoooopid when I played it.
 

I might check behind on the river, but that's the only thing I'd change

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painfully standard

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Everything's standard except maybe the river. The flop is drawless except for hearts, and that got there on the river.

Unless MP2 is loose enough to calldown with a pocket pair under 9s (with two overs on the flop) or exactly a weak 9, I check through the river.

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Seems ok now, too.

(Damn. I wanted to rip something this morning. Oh, well, next post.)

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...grunch...

I probably play it the same way, but I still dont like it.

Continuation bet with second pair. Not crazy about the ace, but maybe he isnt either.

Again, no reason to slow down on the turn.

I may check the river because I cant see a better hand folding, and there are only a few weaker hands I see calling.
Oh, and because I'm weak on the river.

Blech...I'm glad it's your hand and not mine

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(Damn. I wanted to rip something this morning. Oh, well, next post.)

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LOL Boz-I will see if I can come up with something. I had a Hover session this am. I don't think I played real bad but I am sure there are plenty of dumb arse hands. I am trying to accept the idea that very few people at .50/1 can have more neuro response to a raise than a simple reflexive call/raise response. I am trying to unlearn everything that I have learned and start over.

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A serious question - why raise pf? K9s is essentially a drawing hand and pays better with more active players when it hits and is A LOT easier to let go when it misses and there is action to you. I really don't see the value of isolating a EP limper with this hand.

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A serious question - why raise pf? K9s is essentially a drawing hand and pays better with more active players when it hits and is A LOT easier to let go when it misses and there is action to you. I really don't see the value of isolating a EP limper with this hand.

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vs a weak limper they will usually suck enough to make this iso profitable. OTB, there is no way this will be multiway and I am raising as well. Would you raise KTs OTB? I think most wouldd, and K9s is pretty much the same thing in a hand like this (with just 1 limper).

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A serious question - why raise pf? K9s is essentially a drawing hand and pays better with more active players when it hits and is A LOT easier to let go when it misses and there is action to you. I really don't see the value of isolating a EP limper with this hand.

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vs a weak limper they will usually suck enough to make this iso profitable. OTB, there is no way this will be multiway and I am raising as well. Would you raise KTs OTB? I think most wouldd, and K9s is pretty much the same thing in a hand like this (with just 1 limper).

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Thanks for the explanation. I need to stop insta-categorizing hands and view the 2 cards in context of the actual hand in play. After reading the other replies, I now see the reasoning &amp; agree raising here is better. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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*Grunch*

Preflop: Are you kidding me? Limp!

Flop: Not a terrible spot for a bet. I'd like to have some sort of read on my opponent before doing this, however.

Turn: Good.

River: Also good.

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Flop: Not a terrible spot for a bet. I'd like to have some sort of read on my opponent before doing this, however.

Turn: Good.

River: Also good.

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uh what? you think the flop is questionable but the turn and river are good?

Re: It didn\'t seem stoooopid when I played it.
 

You are right. The flop is actually pretty obviously good. It does seems that some LP players might check/call-down with a weak ace here, though. I am also quite possibly wrong, as I'm still pretty new.

It seemed to me, then, that after betting the flop, it was best to continue on the turn and river (I'm thinking of Ed Miller's current article in the magazine).

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the decisions become more and more questionable as he continues calling your bets.

flop and turn bets are very standard - but the river bet is closer (yet still good) because he has shown that he either has a pair or has a draw. the flush draw got there, and we do not hold the best possible pair. so that decision is close.

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After thinking about this hand for a while I have decided that I **Officially** do not like the river bet. When you get called here, you are not ahead 55% of the time. Also, there is significant risk of a c/r.

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Fter thinking about this hand for a while I have decided that I **Officially** do not like the river bet. When you get called here, you are not ahead 55% of the time. Also, there is significant risk of a c/r.

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I agree with this

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I'm in the camp that wouldn't bet the river, otherwise this looks fine.

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I'm in the camp that wouldn't bet the river, otherwise this looks fine.

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i'll join you there. i brought hot dogs and marshmellows.

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I'm in the camp that wouldn't bet the river, otherwise this looks fine.

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i'll join you there. i brought hot dogs and marshmellows.

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I brought the beer as I agree with this also.

Rest of hand is exactly how I play it.

Re: It didn\'t seem stoooopid when I played it.
 

I'd play it the same until the river.

Then I'd check to get a free look at his ace rag or have to fold when he check/raises me.