Black Jack Auto-Play ??
 

i have $200 left of my $250 from riverbelle. i am BORED with the slots. they have 30 games, but they are all basically 3 games, that's it.

welll, they have blackjack with vegas and atlantic city rules (good), and an auto-play feature.

it has a very extensive grid that you can tweak all you want if you want to change the "expert" strategy.


the maximum, and only bet you can place is $2 per hand. splits, doubles etc are allowed and are already programmed into the auto play feature.

i just did a test run of 10 hands on auto play, and won $6. should i program this thing for 100 or 200 hands and let it rip?? woohoo

can the blackjack strategists please give me an opinion? i am bored with the site like i said, and it seems a fast way to try and clear a bonus. i am more comfortable with this way than the let it ride suggestions as of late.

maybe i should have taken the entire $250 when i got it in the promo, and programmed the auto play to play the EXACT dollar amount needed to satisfy the bonus, and then BOOM, whatever is left, all whores can yank clean.

maybe some of you should try this. remember you have to go through www.riverbelle.com/AWARD , and the promo ends jul 31st

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Ditto Granny, I'm bored with Riverbelle too. My original $250 BR shot up to a huge $262, but now down to $180 after a couple pitiful sessions on the slots.

Sorry to relay bad news, GM, but I don't think BJ play is allowed to be used towards the bonus. If you'll check your original thread and/or the terms on the web site, it specifically excludes many games, including Blackjack. I'd like to be wrong about this, because I much prefer to play blackjack.

Back a couple years ago (or less) many net casino sites offered attractive bonuses in which Blackjack play did count to qualify for the bonus. I tried about twenty or so casinos, and was only a net loser on one site (William Hill Casino, which I STILL can't beat). At that time bonues were much easier to earn, usually with 2 times play. I don't remember the exact figure, but I collected in excess of 2K profit, and received a check which cleared the bank from each casino that I was able to do a cash out. Now the bonus requirements are far more difficult.

BTW, auto bet is not such a good idea, because it is extremely important to vary your bet in blackjack, and of course to have the larger bets at the more oportune times. Generally, in BJ you will lose more hands than you win, especially as the length of your session grows. The greatest advantage players have over the House in terms of basic stategy, is the ability to vary your bet, and to use discretion as to when to split and double down your hand. Finally, taking insurance is a sucker's bet, and you'll be way ahead over the long run if you NEVER take it. As is the case in most casino games, if the House offers extra betting oportunities (e.g. BJ insurance, 777 bonus, 3 card poker combo with BJ, etc.), they are not doing you any favors, as these bets tend to heavily favor the House. Therefore, generally the rule is, if they offer it extra, you don't want it. My remarks stem from the most basic BJ stategy, and does not consider card-counting, or single vrs multiple deck games.

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BTW, auto bet is not such a good idea, because it is extremely important to vary your bet in blackjack, and of course to have the larger bets at the more oportune times. Generally, in BJ you will lose more hands than you win, especially as the length of your session grows. The greatest advantage players have over the House in terms of basic stategy, is the ability to vary your bet,

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I was just wondering how you know when to increase or decrease your bet, if you are not counting?

Using basic strategy you will lose about .5% of your money no matter how you bet. Your expectation doesn't change when your bets do.

You can use progressions to try to even out your fluctuations, but you will still lose money.

Granny I have heard some people complain about the autoplay feature at some of these casinos, but I have used it quite succesfully, I wouldn't play it all at once I would play a little bit at a time maybe 200 hands a go, get it running then go make yourself a cup of tea or a scotch and dry.

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"BTW, auto bet is not such a good idea, because it is extremely important to vary your bet in blackjack,..."

If they shuffle the deck after every hand why does it matter if you vary your bet bull7?

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Maybe the voices tell him to. You have to listen to the voices.

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Auto-play uses proper basic strategy. Check out

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for basic strategy charts for various casinos and links
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Jimbo has hit upon the reason counters don't play online blackjack. The only way to get an edge over the house, unless they have some odd rules or a promotion, is to count cards and increse your bets when you have the best of it. Most online casinos shuffle after every hand, so unless you are at a full table with a single deck, the count is pretty much useless. Even with a single deck you most likely will not be able to beat the game.

However, if blackjack does count towards your bonus the autoplay does sound attractive, since you can get closer to even money with optimal basic strategy compared to many other games.

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[/ QUOTE ] I was just wondering how you know when to increase or decrease your bet, if you are not counting?

Personally, dink I count cards and prefer a single deck. Still there is a "small" factor prevalent in gaming called LUCK, which also applies to Blackjack. When counting cards the deck can be heavily in your favor, and you can still ose. Conversely, the deck can be heavily against you and you win anyway.

Even a player employing the most basix BJ stategy should observe the number of aces used and/or left in the deck. For example, if no aces appear on the first deal, there is a greater probability possibly of a blackjack occuring on the next deal. If you count cards, or at least aces and ten point cards, you could gauge better, how probable. Of course, the dealers' chance of achieving a blackjack also increases. (Here comes that crazy LUCK factor again.) Still you can opt to play multiple hands, whereas the dealer may only play one. Also a player blackjack pays 3 to 2, a dealer BJ only even money.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, you can expect to lose more hands in BJ than you win, especially as the length of your session grows. Varying your bet is essential to winning blackjack, of course hoping to win more of the larger bets and losing more of the small ones. (simple, like the stock market: Buy low, sell high). This includes effectively opting for splitting and/or doubling down your hand at the most opportunte times, i.e. favorable cards and/or bigger bet. I could go into greater detail, but, at the risk of boring poker players, I'll stop here.

The Progression stategy you mention has many flaws, not the least of which are a) running out of money, and b) reaching the table betting limit before you can recover your losses. If that stategy was esily successful, everybody would use it and the casinos would be broke. (Although all the casinos need to is drastically lower the table limits). My last trip to Vegas yet again confirms my continued, long-held strong belief the casinos are thriving.

The 5% house edge you mention which exists employing basic stategy is not necessarily true. The true house edge varies, and depends upon many factors, such as the various BJ rules employed by the house, and the number of decks in use for the game.

I hate to lose, especially to casinos. While losing is, over the long haul, inevitablle at times, I make a sincere effort to minimize the amount and frequency of my losses. Amazingly, the wins seem to take care of themselves.

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If they shuffle the deck after every hand why does it matter if you vary your bet bull7?

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Jimbo, you want to win more of your big bets and lose more of your small bets regardless. If they shuffe after each hand, LUCK becomes the overriding factor, and I would not play.

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Maybe the voices tell him to. You have to listen to the voices

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I've tried that, but sadly, it's never worked for me.

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As I mentioned in my earlier post, you can expect to lose more hands in BJ than you win, especially as the length of your session grows.


first, thx all for the input. second, i understand this concept of course bull, but as a bonus clearing method (if it is allowed), is it not a viable option?

if we call the house edge 2%, and realize that i got a $200 bonus for depositing $50, then i'm happy to have the 2% shrinkage to clear my money.

EDIT: 5% house edge is correct online?

the bonus is so obscene that it just seems like a good way to clear it.
(factoring in the reality that i am completely done with the site, and just want to get the dollars out FAST)

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dink,

the grid looks complicated to me, and before i try to figure out how to change the settings i wanted to as a basic auto-play question.

do you know if these expert strategy auto-plays do NOT take insurance? i know that i should never take it, but i'm wondering if the house would program this into auto-play, or try and extract some dollars by having the default set to taking it on all 20's or strong hands.

thx


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first, thx all for the input. second, i understand this concept of course bull, but as a bonus clearing method (if it is allowed), is it not a viable option?

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It might be Granny, for that limited purpose. It wouldn't be a good general stategy. As I said before, I don't think BJ play counts toward the bonus. If I am in error, please let me know, as I would like to play BJ to complete the bonus requirements too.

BTW, how did the HU match with Lorinda go? I haven't heard about the outcome of the match and haven't seen her on this forum in awhile. Hope you didn't run her off as part of a losing bet.

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here are the terms on clearing the bonus. looks like blackjack is ok.


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Only one Real Account per player is allowed. If you already have an account, you are NOT eligible for this offer. Any player attempting to claim multiple bonuses for which they are not eligible will have his/her accounts closed and any winnings declared null and void. All Cash-ins will be cancelled.
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I am pretty sure the autoplay doesn't include insurance

the only change I make to their BS is the double 9 vs 3, I make it a hit, the rest is good enough.

there are quite a few casinos that have good bonuses and autoplay, get into it

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But that is what happens in online blackjack and that is what we are talking about.

very few casinos online don't shuffle after every hand and the ones who do have like eight decks.

counting online only helps you make some marginal playing decisions like 16 x 10, you can vary your playing strategy according to what your 16 is made up of, nat all 16's are alike.

dink

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contrary to popular belief there are a few online casinos with such favourable rules (single deck, checking for bj with a ten up, early surrender, draw to split aces)that by playing perfect BS you have a very slight edge, (about .2 of one percent) but you do have an advantage and that is without adjusting your play for the cards you see.

When these casinos offer a deposit bonus, it can be very profitable.

dink
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am pretty sure the autoplay doesn't include insurance

before you answered this, i did a few 10 play test runs. then earlier i did 100 hands with a result of +35, then i let it go for 500, and i had a result of -60.

it certainly did not seem to have any house edges in the default, so i am confident in what i saw. when the bonus is cleared (soon thanks to auto-play), i'll be out of there.

finally, i read that the house edge is only 1.3% with this particular casino. that is great. what that tells me is that a true whore should be looking for big overlay bonuses like this one, swoop in and turn the auto play on, then move on.

i can expect to lose only a nominal amount by playing it off this way. also, sometimes i will get lucky and end up winning some money. even a bad swing will make a bonus like this STILL a very profitable excursion.

like ron popiel says... "set it &amp; forget it" !
i watched a wpt tape while the 500 ran


i'll be on the lookout for more of these.


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grannster

try
fortune room
royal vegas
and
orbital casino

they all have autoplay and they have some pretty good bonuses, just check the conditions and see if BJ is still allowed? It was when I played there.

cheers
dink
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Hi Granny,

Your post about “auto play” piqued my interest so I downloaded the software and had a little look. Since I’m on a (slow) dial up connection I didn’t really get very far but FWIW to you, here are my observations.

I looked at the Deuces Wild video poker game. From a limited observation it does appear that the autoplay feature is playing the hands correctly – the problem comes in in that it is not a full pay game returning over 100%, but rather pays 96.76%. I didn’t look at the Jacks or Better due to the download time but I would assume that if they haven’t messed with the rest of the pay table (you said it was 9/6), it would be OK. Just keep in mind that on video poker, you expect to lose at a pretty high hourly rate in the short run, only getting up to speed when you finally hit the royal.

I downloaded the Vegas strip BJ game since it had the best rules but kept getting a message that it was “unavailable, please try back later.” Judging from the game I did see, I would tend to say that this site was designed by people with some sophistication regarding games and that the BJ basic strategy in the autoplay feature is probably right. There’s really no reason for them to give bad information if they’re in the business for the long run.

That said, I’ve also done a bit of research regarding online (non-poker) casinos. I’ve found that many of them do share information on scammers and bonus chasers, as well as on winning players on the sites that offer beatable games. Some of the sites just share among their own software group but there are also services that provide the information for anyone who cares to subscribe. I would expect that those who just deposit, crank up autoplay, and cash out as soon as they’ve played enough to qualify for the bonus will sooner or later find that their action is being declined by casinos on the first visit.

As for the beatable games, well, they know which games they are, and the software is perfectly capable of detecting winning play; skilled players have had their accounts closed. That solves the mystery of why the internet casinos aren’t jam packed full of skilled players; in a B&amp;M casino it’s possible to slip through the cracks for a while, and it’s also possible that they have looked at your play and decided that you’re not as good as you think you are, but online there is no camouflage – if you make the right play every time it will be detected.

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Why not just become a great Hold'em player and grind it out against the less intelligent players at the 10-20 partypoker tables... The tens of dollars that you are going to make from this black jack thing are not worth it in my opinion.

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Let me guess,

we become great holdem players with your tutoridge?????

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I checked out this site. Winward Casino is recommended by them, so I checked it out. They have a "sticky" bonus, meaning you can never cash it in. Always read the fine print.

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Check out BJ21.com, web page run by THE bj guru, Standford Wong. Snyder also has a good page. Jacknoir is a good site for current casino bonuses.

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a real basic strategy i use...
start out at the minimum bet
when you win, stay at minimum bet
when you loose, tripple your first bet, so if you lose while betting minumum, you do 3xminimum, if you lose at that hand, 3x3xminimum, and so on
when you finally win, do the minimum...

works nicely if your willing to put some cash down... only problem it has is the chance to loose over an extensive period of time... can be quite hurtfull if you don't have money to cover it in front of you

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thx for the response terry.

i was not aware of these lists, and will keep that in mind if i actively start seeking these out. i got lucky on this one, because after my autoplay was finished, i did a full cashout of the balance and it hit my NETeller today. i guess i got lucky, but would imagine that you are absolutely correct that this method is promo abuse.

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Why not just become a great Hold'em player and grind it out against the less intelligent players at the 10-20 partypoker tables... The tens of dollars that you are going to make from this black jack thing are not worth it in my opinion.

listen, you little can of spam. how old did you say you were? 25? something like that?

when you were shitt*ng your diapers i was playing better holdem than you can ever hope to play.

why don't YOU spend more of your time playing 25-50 at PR and WSEX etc, instead of begging for people to sign up under your scheme in this penny room you tout?

go away

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They have a "sticky" bonus, meaning you can never cash it in.

Well, you do have to wager the bonus dollars, but still you should expect to cash half of it or so. I did well at Winward and Tangiers playing BS, flat betting minimum.