Suited Flop Against a pot betting monkey
 

Sorry do not have the hand but here is what I have
7 handed $25 nl
Hero in BB w/h $29
Villian in late with $38 (VIP=28/raise=12)

Hero Delt 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Villian had gotten on a raise kick with 3 limpers he raised 3x on button

1st mistake Hero calls all other fold
Pot =$2.60

Flop 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Hero bets $1, Villian raises $4.6

Hero?

The fact that he would bet so strong on such a scarry board and all of his bets had been pot sized bets threw me off.

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Push.

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Thanks, Hopefully your post will give me the balls to do this

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OESFD. Push it in.

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OESFD. Push it in.

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Meh. Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on an 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] board is alot better pushing hand than this monotone board stuff.

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Of course but we also have top pair here.

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OESFD + TP. Push it in.

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Push.

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OK, you push monkeys. Convince me with a poker argument, maybe a little math, why pushing is best here. I'm not convinced by your one-liners.

Pot is $8.20, Hero has $27 behind.

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Push.

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I'm not convinced by your one-liners.

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Re: Suited Flop Against a pot betting monkey
 

for all the push monkeys. Not sure villain has as many outs as everyone thinks. I think he could be behind a big pocket pair that may contain a heart...if that's the case he has likely no fold equity and his flush outs are no good. Not sure a push is as easy as everyone thinks. This is a disaster for hero if villain has A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Ax. I think his straight outs are possibly the only good outs...that and another 9 I'd guess.

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I believe that this has to be taken as an OESD and TP...the flush can pretty much be disregarded in alot of cases as you could be drawing dead with hearts.

That said...I probably call and reevaluate. If it comes a heart...I"m playing very passively. If it comes a J or 6, I'm still playing it passively. If it comes a brick, I'm betting and folding to resistance.

This hand could be VERY bad for hero

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Push.

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OK, you push monkeys. Convince me with a poker argument, maybe a little math, why pushing is best here. I'm not convinced by your one-liners.

Pot is $8.20, Hero has $27 behind.

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pokenum -h ah kd - th 9d -- 7h 8h 9h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 9h 8h 7h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Kd Ah 352 35.56 620 62.63 18 1.82 0.365
9d Th 620 62.63 352 35.56 18 1.82 0.635

Re: Suited Flop Against a pot betting monkey
 

how often are we going to be drawing to half the pot and/or going against a hand has enough of it to call his all in pretty much all of the time.