I hate this fold, thoughts?
 

Villain in this hand is 29/7 or so with high post flop agression (4 or 5). What do you guys think about this fold...with his stats I can't see him calling the raise with anything that has a 2 in it...could he have called the flop bet with 66 or something? Either way I folded, but I can see myself being ahead of a lot of hands he might do this with...when he did it my first thought was that he's semi-bluffing a flush draw that didn't hit on the turn...I just wasn't sure and folded anyway, thoughts?


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UTG ($98.81)
Hero ($50.32)
CO ($46.80)
Button ($83.90)
SB ($64.10)
BB ($14)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, CO calls $2, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($4.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, CO calls $3.

Turn: ($10.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, CO calls $41.80 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $60.55

Re: I hate this fold, thoughts?
 

Well, you represented an ace and villain just told you he didn't care. Unless I've seen him pull this stunt before, I'm folding. What hands other than a bluff are you ahead of? AJ, AT? If villain is this loose, just trap him later.

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Well, you represented an ace and villain just told you he didn't care. Unless I've seen him pull this stunt before, I'm folding. What hands other than a bluff are you ahead of? AJ, AT? If villain is this loose, just trap him later.

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well the thing is i'm having a hard time putting him on something. What did a 29/7 player call with perflop that i'm not ahead of? This guy isn't calling raises with j2 offsuit.....I guess i'm just having a tougher than usual time putting him on something here, which is why I think I might have folded the best hand.

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Well, you represented an ace and villain just told you he didn't care. Unless I've seen him pull this stunt before, I'm folding. What hands other than a bluff are you ahead of? AJ, AT? If villain is this loose, just trap him later.

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well the thing is i'm having a hard time putting him on something. What did a 29/7 player call with perflop that i'm not ahead of? This guy isn't calling raises with j2 offsuit.....I guess i'm just having a tougher than usual time putting him on something here, which is why I think I might have folded the best hand.

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How many hands do you have on him? A 29/7 is playing any sooted A so I would say A6, 66, AK, AJ, AQ or A2 (in that order) are his most likely holdings. Otherwise he is on a bluff. If he is prone to throw his in his stack to capture pots then wait him out. Why call with a marginal holding.

Re: I hate this fold, thoughts?
 

yeah I know..that's why I folded...this feels like one that got away is all...my gut was screaming 'YOU ARE AHEAD' but I folded anyway. Looked like the vintage big turn bluff with a draw.

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I feel like he has AK or AJ here. I don't see him getting overly aggressive with anything that gives him a boat or better by the turn. I would probably fold as well, but it is a tough hand to lay down.

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yeah I know..that's why I folded...this feels like one that got away is all...my gut was screaming 'YOU ARE AHEAD' but I folded anyway. Looked like the vintage big turn bluff with a draw.

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Without a read, I think it is a good fold.

For instance, I get 99 in CO (no reads, yet). UTG makes 4x bb raise, I call, SB pushes for $50, UTG pushes for $200 (I cover). I though about it and laid it down. No one improves on the board and 88 beats AJ. Now I have information about these clowns (who turn out to be 45/24 or so) and I leave the table an hour later up almost a buy-in. With a read I would have auto called with 99, but without a read why get into a coin flip at best against two villains.

Re: I hate this fold, thoughts?
 

Consider these points:

How do you think he sees you, good (or weak) enough to fold top pair?

Both your bets could be seen as weak, especially the turn.

A 4-5 post flop aggression is very high.

Most of the time it's just the fish and the preflop LAGS that make those big all-in bets with monsters. A semi-loose aggressive player, like your villian, would usually put in a raise that you coould call, or just call himself.

And last, your gut is screaming at you.

I say call.

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And last, your gut is screaming at you.

I say call.


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I've made these gut-screaming-based calls before, and they are always wrong. I don't see how you can get stacked on this hand with just 1-pair.

Re: I hate this fold, thoughts?
 

my turn bet is over 2/3 the pot...how can that be considered "weak"

Re: I hate this fold, thoughts?
 

Without reading the other replies, I agree he doesnt seem likely to be holding a 2. On the other hand, his VPIP may include any ace. I assume hes raising preflop with AA or AK. Also, his agrro is very high, which could mean he has a weaker ace, a smaller pair, or is just bluffing. This looks like a call to me.

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I feel like he has AK or AJ here. I don't see him getting overly aggressive with anything that gives him a boat or better by the turn. I would probably fold as well, but it is a tough hand to lay down.

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Dont we think this guy is rasing prelfop with AK?? The only thing I'm strugglnig with is why he smoothcalled the flop, especially given his high aggro. Im not sure he would do that with an ace. Has he done this before? A2 would probably do that, but would other aces?

Re: I hate this fold, thoughts?
 

really not sure.. My read was big clubs actually. He might pull this with AJ or AQ...I think he'd reraise AK but maybe not.

Re: I hate this fold, thoughts?
 

Lay it down, take his loot later, no need to overplay a top pair with a paired board.

Cambraceres

Re: I hate this fold, thoughts?
 

Any reads? Given that aggression, I like call and gambol. He mostly has ace, I don't think he plays like a 2. u see worse kicker or draw enough to justify this call I think. Against tight rock I might fold.

Re: I hate this fold, thoughts?
 

I don't think your bets are weak. I'm looking at your play through your villians eyes. After Harrington's book came out it seems like alot of people see every non-pot bet as a c-bet.

Re: I hate this fold, thoughts?
 

I know what you mean. I guess I should have said that MY gut is usually right. 60-70% right i'd guess.

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Without reading the other replies, I agree he doesnt seem likely to be holding a 2. On the other hand, his VPIP may include any ace. I assume hes raising preflop with AA or AK. Also, his agrro is very high, which could mean he has a weaker ace, a smaller pair, or is just bluffing. This looks like a call to me.

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This is a perfect spot for AA or AK to cold-call preflop.

Re: I hate this fold, thoughts?
 

mmm hard hard lay down...been there before. That being said, I agree with 4 2 it's logic in this hand, my best guess would be A-6. I would say u probably see that the percentage of the time. I would have loved to see his hand, and if he showed an A-J after you fold I would get up and walk around a bit to cool off the steam. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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mmm hard hard lay down...been there before. That being said, I agree with 4 2 it's logic in this hand, my best guess would be A-6. I would say u probably see that the percentage of the time. I would have loved to see his hand, and if he showed an A-J after you fold I would start imagining how nice his chips are going to look along side mine

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