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Hi folks!

As we all know, poker is about making money (except having fun of course) and the weaker the competition is the higher the prospects are. Would be interesting to hear you guys rate the weakest games you know about. Please include game, limits, casino, and what makes the game so juicy (passive, loose players, calling stations, hilarious bluffers, players don't know the game, drunk people etc.). Finally give it some sort of rating and what win average a decent player (like yourself) could excpect per hour.

Looking forward to hear some almost-fairy-tales...!

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above 2/4 and 3/6,
AC: trop 4/8 and borg 6/12

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Casino Arizona 3/6

These games are just filled with the type of people SSHE is written about. Loose Passive doesn't begin to describe these folks.

Actually most of the people are there for social reasons, so they are more concerned with having fun and watching the game on one of the big screens than playing poker.

Basically it's a very soft game with lots of friendly people who don't care about a few hundred dollars.

I've heard similar things about the 4/8 and 6/12 but I've never played them.

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The 5-150 spread limit game a Casino Arizona.

The game has some good players, some damn good players in fact. But there are a fair number of total donks coming thru that play either a NL tournament style or stuck in limit mode. There is also a fair number of regulars that are more a kin to calling station than anything else.

Friday and Saturday late are great too because of the drunk club folk coming by to donate the buy-ins.

I can not give you an hourly rate, but I can tell you that it is not uncommon for the better regulars in the game to rack out 4+ racks of red for a session. My personal best is a little over 8 racks worth in a 10 hour session. Not bad considering the max buy-in is $350.

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3/6 at Barona Valley Ranch is a joke. I've never value bet Ace high before coming here.

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1/2 limit hold em at luxor.

I think they only run this game immediately following their 'poker lesson'. Then they dump everyone who took the lesson into this cheapie game. I don't think anyone actually paid attention to the lesson though.

Honestly, imagine a bunch of people who have never played poker before (some of them may have never played cards before). People literally asking what beats what. Several people who see EVERY flop. I'm not kidding here.

Because of the small stakes, you can't win a lot (and the pain of watching may be too much to bear -- but I don't think you'll find a weaker game than this anywhere.

Hard to estimate the winning potential I only played this once. I think a soft 4-8 game is more profitable with less variance and rake is high relative to the pots. So, I guess 5 BB an hour or so may achievable.

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Any game in Las Vegas from 10/20 and down.

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Hi folks!

As we all know, poker is about making money (except having fun of course) and the weaker the competition is the higher the prospects are. Would be interesting to hear you guys rate the weakest games you know about. Please include game, limits, casino, and what makes the game so juicy (passive, loose players, calling stations, hilarious bluffers, players don't know the game, drunk people etc.). Finally give it some sort of rating and what win average a decent player (like yourself) could excpect per hour.

Looking forward to hear some almost-fairy-tales...!

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Ever watch Live at the Bike??

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Any game in Las Vegas from 10/20 and down.

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Any game in Las Vegas from 10/20 and down.

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Is this true? I always feared competition at Vegas. I had this notion that people played well. Am I wrong?

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Any game in Las Vegas from 10/20 and down.

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Is this true? I always feared competition at Vegas. I had this notion that people played well. Am I wrong?

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1/2 limit holdem at Ocean's 11 in Oceanside. Lots of new players and calling stations. Overall everyone is there to have fun so it's a good atmosphere. Going in with an intense attitude would defeat the purpose of the game. Lately there's been lots of games going since the bad beat jackpot is over $30K. It's a fun way to spend an evening without risking too much $$$. Playing tight should ensure that you end up on the positive side of things.

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Any game in Las Vegas from 10/20 and down.

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Is this true? I always feared competition at Vegas. I had this notion that people played well. Am I wrong?

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i personally find more difficult competition in vegas per the same limits as my local casino. 5/10 local plays like 2/4 vegas for example imho.

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WINSTAR CASINO
exit 1 I-35 oklahoma
opened the poker room back in may or so, and all the Dallas/Fort Worth people attacked it. best part is that the lowest limits they started were 4/8 lmit and 2/5 nl (min 300/max 500 buy-in). you had 2/5 no playing like a 1/2 or worse nl(vegas) game and 4/8 playing like 1/2 or 2/4 limit(vegas) at best. basically a lot of people with too much money wanting action.
typically saw people making over a grand at the 4/8 table in an all-day session.
a few solid players in the mix, mostly up at 20/40 or 5/10 nl. also, i did see amarillo slim sitting casually at the 5/10 nl (min 500/max 1000) table one afternoon taking everyone's money.

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so you think people learned yet or at least got tired losing big time against people who obviously know the game better? or is the poor action you mentioned still there? (might pay it a visit lol)

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Any game in Las Vegas from 10/20 and down.

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Is this true? I always feared competition at Vegas. I had this notion that people played well. Am I wrong?

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3 years ago this was much more true. Before the boom, games were much tougher in LV. Since the boom, the games are great. There is so much more action that the pool of good locals is diluted. And there are tons of lousy locals as well as fishy tourists!

Qwik story, 3-4 years ago I came to town to play and see how I fared against some of the local grinders. I'm in a 10-20 game at the Horseshoe. I muck for 3-4 rounds then open raise utg. 1 local flips up his pocket 9's face up and says "well these are no good".

However they were much easier to read also. Making it easier to take them off a hand back then. Not so much so today as they are tired of laying down when the wackos have raised with nuttin. The games are much more aggressive now. Hence many of the locals are also calling stations now too!!

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Any game in Las Vegas from 10/20 and down.

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Bro, you have never been more right.

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Casino Arizona's 5-150 was pretty darn weak! In 2.5 hrs there were 4 rebuys to the 350 limit. People would call a $30 raise with K5 Off. Completely crazy maniacs. Few people noticed me limping in and were more concerned with the games on TV. Man would I love to play here all the time, I can't see why a good player couldn't pull down a nice little income from this game.....

My home casino, Turning stone, in NY has fairly tight play on the lower limit games, so profitability is low. The 1-2 $100 max no limit hold'em game is pretty weak b/c there are a lot of college players who play under-rolled and are too tight pre-flop and overaggressive with drawing hands.

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Basically, the card clubs in Dallas are ridiculously weak. I played with swolfe, and he said that they are even more profitable than Winstar. You'd think that Texans could play some poker, but I swear, there are at least two guys in my normal game(2/5 NL) that will call off 100-200 bucks on a gutter straight draw(really!). I've pushed all in with TPTK against two people on a fairly dangerous board before with absolutely no fear of being any other than in good shape.

The only downside is trying to adjust my game when someone who is actually decent sits down... [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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WINSTAR CASINO
exit 1 I-35 oklahoma
opened the poker room back in may or so, and all the Dallas/Fort Worth people attacked it. best part is that the lowest limits they started were 4/8 lmit and 2/5 nl (min 300/max 500 buy-in). you had 2/5 no playing like a 1/2 or worse nl(vegas) game and 4/8 playing like 1/2 or 2/4 limit(vegas) at best. basically a lot of people with too much money wanting action.
typically saw people making over a grand at the 4/8 table in an all-day session.
a few solid players in the mix, mostly up at 20/40 or 5/10 nl. also, i did see amarillo slim sitting casually at the 5/10 nl (min 500/max 1000) table one afternoon taking everyone's money.

[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]mflo

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The players are horrible... if only I wasn't card dead every time I go up there.

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Any game in Las Vegas from 10/20 and down.

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I've been in some tough 10/20 games in Vegas. I was playing during the day once at the Mirage during a slow time of year. The majority of hands went like this: fold, fold, fold, raise, fold, 3 bet, fold, fold, fold, fold, call. Flop: check, bet, fold. But once I picked up on the pattern, I made a little money. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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3/6 at Harrah's New Orleans, R.I.P.

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How about other games than Hold'em like PLO, Omaha8, Stud or Lowball?

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I have limited experience but so far, I haven't seen a tight low limit Omaha/8 game. It is the nature of the beast that most people can figure out a reason to play any combination of four cards.

I was playing 3-6 Omaha/8 Hi/low with a full kill at Caesar's IN one evening and for some unkown reason, this lady (spelled FISH) would tell us why she played that hand. She played every hand so the explainations, got really creative. She would bust out, rebuy, win a big stack, bleed chips, bust, rebuy, rinse and repeat.

She raised from the BB with 7,8,9,T rainbow, six way action, bet the whole way made a straight on the river and it was good. She said "I played those because I felt like I was going to make a straight this time."

$10-20 is the highest limit I have ever played at Omaha/8 and it was loose also.

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The only casino poker I've played has been low limit in Vegas at MGM, Excalibur, Luxor, and Monte Carlo. All can be good at times, but for me the Monte Carlo 2/4 has been the juciest. I also like the poker room atmosphere at the Monte Carlo better--the lower ceiling makes it seem more intimate and the dealers are friendlier. I've also won a couple of the high-hand jackpots there, which is nice.

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In California, try a Friday night at any of the major LA casinos. Aim for a 4/8 game. If you walk around a little between 7 PM and the wee hours of the morning, you will eventually find the Cap Every Hand Table. Bring at least $500 and a strong stomach.

Last time I played there I got to watch the dealer try to figure out how to push me a $320 pot, in all $1 chips, into the tiny space between seats 1 and 3.

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My home casino, Turning stone, in NY has fairly tight play on the lower limit games, so profitability is low. The 1-2 $100 max no limit hold'em game is pretty weak b/c there are a lot of college players who play under-rolled and are too tight pre-flop and overaggressive with drawing hands.

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This is a very accurate description of california NL games as well, but I would add that there is a small fraction (perhaps 5-8%) of players at the $100NL tables who have no idea what they are doing. They happily call all in with second pair or a GS. Often they misread the board. They call any preflop raise for any amount.

There are quite a few NL 'pros' at these games who walk around seeking out these players, and then sit around with 7 other pros waiting for them to self-destruct. Not terribly interesting poker but potentially quite lucrative.

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i did see amarillo slim sitting casually at the 5/10 nl (min 500/max 1000) table one afternoon taking everyone's money.

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Yeah...he's no longer allowed on Chickasaw property [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I'm glad to hear that you think the games are great there. My parents live about 45 minutes or an hour from there. I've only played 2 sessions there so far, and there were definitely some poor players, but I was card dead the whole time. It also didn't help that I was playing 1/2 online at the time and trying to adjust mentally to the higher stakes. Can't wait to play there next summer, or even over Christmas break...

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Motorcity NL200 in Detroit is pretty damned soft

I also like the low no limit at Excalibur

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Any game in Las Vegas from 10/20 and down.

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Is this true? I always feared competition at Vegas. I had this notion that people played well. Am I wrong?

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The key words here are "from 10/20 and down". Go higher than that and your fears, in general, will be a little more justified.

--Scott

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WINSTAR CASINO
exit 1 I-35 oklahoma
opened the poker room back in may or so, and all the Dallas/Fort Worth people attacked it. best part is that the lowest limits they started were 4/8 lmit and 2/5 nl (min 300/max 500 buy-in). you had 2/5 no playing like a 1/2 or worse nl(vegas) game and 4/8 playing like 1/2 or 2/4 limit(vegas) at best. basically a lot of people with too much money wanting action.


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Unfortunately Winstar now spreads 1/2 NL. The games are still for the most part very good.

Certain games in Dallas/Fort Worth are spectacular. Just gotta find the right ones. It all depends on who's playing where.

The beauty of Winstar is that you can typically find a spectacular game somewhere in the room. In DFW, you might have to go to 4 or 5 places on a given night to find the super spectacular game. It's a trade off.

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Given the amount that can be won, the borgata 2-5 and 5-10 are pretty damn soft.

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The two softest 2/4 games are at the Sands in AC and Luxor in Las Vegas. There are lots of inexperienced players and calling stations who stay in raised pots with little chance of winning. $8/hour is a reasonable expectation in these games

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Any low limit game at Greektown immediately after a Detroit Tigers game.

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As previously stated, the 5-150 spread limit at Casino Arizona is ridiculous. Half of the table in every raised pot.

Harrah's in Topeka, KS on the weekends is beautiful as well. Loose-passives and drunk cowboys galore. Often on the weeknights, some KU kids come and play a pretty solid TAG game.

Has anyone else noticed games in/near college towns being generally harder to crack?

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At Foxwoods it would be the 1-2 NL game, it's one of the softest in the country, the 2-5 NL and 20-40 game are also good enough to be up there in the top 10% of soft games

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Isn't pretty much every 4/8 game super weak? Has anyone actually sat in a 4/8 game that was tough?

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Isn't pretty much every 4/8 game super weak? Has anyone actually sat in a 4/8 game that was tough?

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the swings were tough

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Isn't pretty much every 4/8 game super weak? Has anyone actually sat in a 4/8 game that was tough?

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Yes, late on the swing shift at Fort McDowell (PHX) when there is nothing but dealers, the prop, myself and my buddy. Totally tough. If you are lucky there will be one drunk still left, the rest are TAG or sLAG.

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Yes, late on the swing shift at Fort McDowell (PHX) when there is nothing but dealers, the prop, myself and my buddy. Totally tough. If you are lucky there will be one drunk still left, the rest are TAG or sLAG.

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