(LC) $109 ITM - what would you need to call here?
 

I was actually the Button in this hand. It's certainly not a bad beat post as the BB called with what I consider an atrocious hand, and I beat them both. (The SB's call was pretty much as bad, but that's for another discussion). I'm just wondering what us here would need to call in the BB in this situation? Considering a fold sees us either HU with 2.7k or ITM with a micro stack, I think something like QQ+ for me, maybe even KK+?

PartyPoker - NL Texas Hold'em $100 Buy-in + $9 Entry Fee Tournament | Level: 8 - 3 players (Converter: PGC)


Chip Counts:Button: 3330 Chips
SB: 3605 Chips
<font color="red">Hero: 3065 Chips</font>

Hero is BB with two cards.
Blinds are 200/400

PreFlop
Button is All-In
SB is All-In

Re: (LC) $109 ITM - what would you need to call here?
 

And if reads are important.. Button (me) is playing pretty typical, aggressive poker at this point, but not so much that his push here would be 'any two', think more like top 25-30%. The SB is absolutely awful, so his call can mean anything here, but let's be generous and say it 'should' be top 15-20%.

Re: (LC) $109 ITM - what would you need to call here?
 

do an ICM

Re: (LC) $109 ITM - what would you need to call here?
 

Ha ha ha - yeah, I can do an ICM, but for SNGPT junkies, they're out of luck here, so I thought I'd ask what people would do in a game situation, as these don't exactly come up often?

Re: (LC) $109 ITM - what would you need to call here?
 

w/o thinking about it too much, I imagine if it were game time I would be hard pressed to fold QQ...but I think it might be correct to. I am not folding KK here.

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Yeah, that is what I would have said too. JJ is almost certainly instamuck and there's no way AK can have the needed equity. QQ is the tricky one. KK is an easy call I think.

Re: (LC) $109 ITM - what would you need to call here?
 

I'd agree with you, QQ, maybe KK+. I think it might be a tiny bit too painful to fold QQ ITM but JJ would be in the muck in a flash.

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does it make any difference if Hero has most chips, e.g., SB=3065, Hero=3600)?

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Yeah, that is what I would have said too. JJ is almost certainly instamuck and there's no way AK can have the needed equity. QQ is the tricky one. KK is an easy call I think.

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Considering the BB has the least amount of chips and the chips stacks are fairly equal, the BB would need to win the 3 way pot to win otherwise he's going out in 3rd. If he folds he instantly moves up to 2nd with a chance to come back and win. So he would need a KK+ i would think. I didn't realize the 109's were this bad. I think I'll be moving up sooner than I thought...

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I as the Button, by the way, had QTo. It was ahead of SB's hand and a flip against the BB's. That's how bad they both were here [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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.5 if you call and win is definitely wrong, he'd have over 9k to either one of ours &lt; 1k..

Edit, unless you are talking about equity of the prize pool? In which case, losing is equal to 0.2, surely?

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.5 if you call and win is definitely wrong, he'd have over 9k to either one of ours &lt; 1k..

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The actual figure is .4879 for 9395 chips vs. 605. But I screwed up much worse than that. Fixing it now...

Re: (LC) $109 ITM - what would you need to call here?
 

Yeah sorry, thought you were talking of heads up chipEV. It's been a long day.. but definitely losing should be 0.2.

Re: (LC) $109 ITM - what would you need to call here?
 

Err nevermind I thought it was the bubble (in which case he would fold aces if there was some infintesimal stack).

He has 35% if he folds.

He has 48.4% if he wins. He has 20% if he loses. So if he wins 50% and busts 50%, he will have 34.2% equity. He can probably call with QQ since they win 53% against two top 20% ranges. 53% win would give him 35% equity. Meh maybe just stick to KK+.

Re: (LC) $109 ITM - what would you need to call here?
 

I'll say the results now, as it was funny.

SB called with Q9o.
BB called with 66.

Board xxTxQ.

Re: (LC) $109 ITM - what would you need to call here?
 

66? Mindboggling.

Re: (LC) $109 ITM - what would you need to call here?
 

Yep. The SB's call was rather retarded as well. No way is his Q9o ahead even close to being ahead enough of my range there to call.

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(The following post is sarcastic.)

I play to win, not for second. BB could be pushing really lightly, and SB's a retard, plus I'm getting better than 2:1, so I call with A6+, KT+, 66+.

For those of you saying to fold JJ, come sit at my tables and enjoy being second.

Re: (LC) $109 ITM - what would you need to call here?
 

Without reading the responses I would call with AK, JJ+. I would call with AK because people seem to overvalue Ax with 9BBs in this situation. I think the button's range is KT+, Ax, 22+. The SBs calling range (if he's a typical 109 player) is probably KQ, Ax, 44+.

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After reading I have questioned whether it is right to call with AK or JJ. This is because if you fold, you'll have 2600/7400 and I think you'll win 1/4 of the time (maybe you don't agree with that, i'm just ballparking). So let's say you call with JJ and have ~60% equity in the pot because they had Ax and 55 or something. This means that you win the tourney 60% of the time, receiving $500. The other 40% you're out because you are the short stack and get $200. This gives you ~$380 expected value by calling if I calculated it correctly. If you fold, you get $300 3/4ths of the time and $500 1/4th of the time. This gives you $350 of expected value by folding.

If you take into account that sometimes one of them has 2 overs to your JJ, and occasionally they have QQ+, I think it's pretty close. AK is a definite fold because it is only 35% against our example Ax and 66 and has an expected value of around $300. I would probably call with JJ because gambling is fun and fold AK (even though I would hate folding it). If anyone finds anything wrong in my calculations, feel free to tear them apart.

Re: (LC) $109 ITM - what would you need to call here?
 

I actually thought you might've been in this SNG, I seem to see you all over the place and in every other table. But strangely you weren't!

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Without reading the responses I would call with AK, JJ+. I would call with AK because people seem to overvalue Ax with 9BBs in this situation. I think the button's range is KT+, Ax, 22+. The SBs calling range (if he's a typical 109 player) is probably KQ, Ax, 44+.

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Good post. Count me in.

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After reading I have questioned whether it is right to call with AK or JJ. This is because if you fold, you'll have 2600/7400 and I think you'll win 1/4 of the time (maybe you don't agree with that, i'm just ballparking). So let's say you call with JJ and have ~60% equity in the pot because they had Ax and 55 or something. This means that you win the tourney 60% of the time, receiving $500. The other 40% you're out because you are the short stack and get $200. This gives you ~$380 expected value by calling if I calculated it correctly. If you fold, you get $300 3/4ths of the time and $500 1/4th of the time. This gives you $350 of expected value by folding.

If you take into account that sometimes one of them has 2 overs to your JJ, and occasionally they have QQ+, I think it's pretty close. AK is a definite fold because it is only 35% against our example Ax and 66 and has an expected value of around $300. I would probably call with JJ because gambling is fun and fold AK (even though I would hate folding it). If anyone finds anything wrong in my calculations, feel free to tear them apart.

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Better post. Count me out.

Re: (LC) $109 ITM - what would you need to call here?
 

QQ + for me

Straight Flushes

SAM

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Re: (LC) $109 ITM - what would you need to call here?
 

If I stopped and took some time to think about it, I'd probably call with JJ+, though it looks like JJ might be a mistake against a lot of players here.

Very helpful post though because this is a situation where it would be easy to make a big mistake.