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12-06-2005 06:29 PM

BCS or Old System
 
Most people don't like the BCS which is clear. However, most people didn't like the old system either. So now that the BCS is in is 7 or 8th year we've gotten a feel for how its going to go. Would you rather have the old system back or still keep the BCS?

I would much rather have the old system back as I enjoyed the historical matchups in the bowl games. I enjoyed seeing Big Ten vs Pac 10 every year in the Rose Bowl. However, I don't really care if there is a split nat'l champion as I don't think it discredits either team due to the fact that it is very tough to finish undefeated.

So what is it keep the BCS or go back to old system?

Before you become the jackass that responds with "playoff system" yeah that would be the best but the NCAA has strongly opposed this.

kenberman 12-06-2005 06:31 PM

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BCS gets it right more often than the old system, so I guess the BCS is better.

(w/o it, there would be no Texas-USC game this year, which would be too bad)

Bigdaddydvo 12-06-2005 06:43 PM

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Most people don't like the BCS which is clear. However, most people didn't like the old system either. So now that the BCS is in is 7 or 8th year we've gotten a feel for how its going to go. Would you rather have the old system back or still keep the BCS?

I would much rather have the old system back as I enjoyed the historical matchups in the bowl games. I enjoyed seeing Big Ten vs Pac 10 every year in the Rose Bowl. However, I don't really care if there is a split nat'l champion as I don't think it discredits either team due to the fact that it is very tough to finish undefeated.

So what is it keep the BCS or go back to old system?

Before you become the jackass that responds with "playoff system" yeah that would be the best but the NCAA has strongly opposed this.

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BCS has ruined New Year's Day as the culmination of the CF season...now there are bowls throughout the first week of the new year...lame. I'll take my 12 New Years games over the BCS any day.

bernie 12-06-2005 06:50 PM

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BCS gets it right more often than the old system, so I guess the BCS is better.

(w/o it, there would be no Texas-USC game this year, which would be too bad)

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And with it we got 2 years of seeing Oklahoma in there. Which was also too bad.

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HDPM 12-06-2005 07:07 PM

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I also much prefer the old system. It made more bowl games more interesting. Sports talk shows were more interesting. I liked the definite bowl tie-ins - Pac 10 v. Big 10 in the Rose Bowl, Big 8 in the Orange, etc.... I hate the BCS. I would much rather have 4 interesting bowls on Jan 1 than one sometimes championship game sometime later in January.

12-06-2005 07:32 PM

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Sports talk shows were more interesting. .

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I also agree with this, it was much better hearing sportstalk to broke down all the games and discussed various aspects of the game. With the BCS all the sportstalk is just who got screwed, and who should of gotten a better matchup.

HDPM 12-06-2005 07:48 PM

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Sports talk shows were more interesting. .

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I also agree with this, it was much better hearing sportstalk to broke down all the games and discussed various aspects of the game. With the BCS all the sportstalk is just who got screwed, and who should of gotten a better matchup.

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I also liked all the scenarios, like if the #1 ranked team lost and #2 looked bad in a win over a weak team, could the #3 team get the title with a big win over a tough opponent etc.... All that goofy stuff to blather about.

MyTurn2Raise 12-06-2005 07:50 PM

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old system > BCS > proposed playoffs

Warchant88 12-06-2005 08:03 PM

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old system > BCS > proposed playoffs

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Bingo.

Jack of Arcades 12-06-2005 08:41 PM

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old system > BCS > proposed playoffs

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I believe you got this backwards, sir.

HajiShirazu 12-06-2005 09:43 PM

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Of course the BCS is better than the old system, since at least now we are guaranteed one meaningful game (although the rest are still totally pointless.)
College football is still about as much of a sport as figure skating or gymnastics in my view, since the champion is decided in the same way.

MyTurn2Raise 12-06-2005 10:17 PM

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college football is the only true sport left in my opinion

the games are all meaningful throughout the whole season..it's the one sport with a true champion

MCS 12-06-2005 11:03 PM

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BCS.

MyTurn, I would argue the system does NOT determine a "true champion." It is inherently flawed because it does not allow every D-1 team a legitimate opportunity to win the title.

In basketball, the best team wins far less often, but you always control your own destiny. You can't be undefeated and still get shut out of the title chase (like Auburn/Utah/Marshall have been) just because of someone's opinion.

In basketball, if you don't win the national title, it's because you lost at least one game somewhere that you shouldn't have lost. No such protection in football.

TheNoodleMan 12-06-2005 11:09 PM

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old system > BCS > proposed playoffs

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I believe you got this backwards, sir.

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I hope that is a mistake.

lastchance 12-06-2005 11:13 PM

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You want to see the best teams in the country butt heads. You want Miami-Washington (91), USC-Texas, OSU-Miami.

The best system for CFB is bowls for money + these games between the best teams in the country.

Personally, I really like the 4-team playoff system.

vox 12-06-2005 11:17 PM

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old system <font color="red">&lt;</font> BCS <font color="red">&lt;</font> proposed playoffs

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FYP

Edit: After reading MyTurn2Raise's other posts on the subject, I see that the statement was intended to be against a playoff. Whoops.


MyTurn2Raise 12-06-2005 11:25 PM

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ruined my post

vox 12-06-2005 11:34 PM

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college football is the only true sport left in my opinion

the games are all meaningful throughout the whole season..it's the one sport with a true champion

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I see it differently. College football is the only sport without a "true champion". That's the argument the majority of university presidents and bowl proponents advance for the staus quo: everybody wins. Kinda like little league.

A playoff would not render the regular season irrelevant any more than how, under the current system, the early part of the season often doesn't matter. The polls reward losing early over losing late; this is the logic for the scheduling of UF-Tennessee and Florida State-Miami - the losing team has time to climb back up the polls.

Clarkmeister 12-07-2005 12:31 AM

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I also much prefer the old system. It made more bowl games more interesting. Sports talk shows were more interesting. I liked the definite bowl tie-ins - Pac 10 v. Big 10 in the Rose Bowl, Big 8 in the Orange, etc.... I hate the BCS. I would much rather have 4 interesting bowls on Jan 1 than one sometimes championship game sometime later in January.

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Clarkmeister 12-07-2005 12:33 AM

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the games are all meaningful throughout the whole season. it's the one sport with a true champion



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That's laughable. Tell the kids at Auburn or Utah how meaningful their regular season games were.

bernie 12-07-2005 05:48 AM

Next year...
 
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I also much prefer the old system. It made more bowl games more interesting. Sports talk shows were more interesting. I liked the definite bowl tie-ins - Pac 10 v. Big 10 in the Rose Bowl, Big 8 in the Orange, etc.... I hate the BCS. I would much rather have 4 interesting bowls on Jan 1 than one sometimes championship game sometime later in January.

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I agree

Is it next year where they are having a seperate championship game? Meaning, one of the 4 main bowls aren't going to host it but there is a game a week afterward? If so, does that mean those 4 bowls will go back somewhat to the old system. For example, the Big 10 and Pac 10 will again be the qualifiers in the Rosebowl.

I thought I saw a '5th' game being added.

Just wondering.

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MyTurn2Raise 12-07-2005 05:55 AM

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you're right...Auburn got screwed
That's the one team I've ever felt bad about since the BCS thing started

I guess I'm a big conference bully when it comes to Utah, but point taken

I coul live with another game added a week after the bowl season that would rotate around like the superbowl. My problem is that I see just as much inequities and injustice with 4 and 8 team playoffs. That is the reason I made those posts. Who gets in? by what reasoning? Who's left out? Why? I see the playoff system as even further reinforcing the college football oligopoly of traditional powers.

goofball 12-07-2005 06:04 AM

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Let's see.

Auburn got screwed in 2004
USC got semiscrewed in 2003
Oregon got screwed in 2001
Washington and Miami got screwed in 2000


C'mon, old system but in the event of a disputed national championship there's an extra game.

MyTurn2Raise 12-07-2005 06:50 AM

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I don't view teams that lost a game as getting screwed.

I'm the East German judge

wonderwes 12-07-2005 07:41 PM

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Let's see.

Auburn got screwed in 2004
USC got semiscrewed in 2003
Oregon got screwed in 2001
Washington and Miami got screwed in 2000

C'mon, old system but in the event of a disputed national championship there's an extra game.

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Don't forget when Nebraska went to play Miami in the Rose bowl after not even going to their Big 12 title game.

The BCS is crap. To defend it is worse. Its all based on millions and millions of cash. The NCAA is corrupt and biased. The system is there to help the largest schools, when smaller schools in the same major conference get screwed over.

Auburn got freaking hosed in 2004. That reason alone is why the BCS is a joke.

utmt40 12-07-2005 08:52 PM

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BCS is better because it does get one National Champion (most of the time), however, the obvious choice is a playoff system but that will never happen.

B Dids 12-07-2005 08:57 PM

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I also much prefer the old system. It made more bowl games more interesting. Sports talk shows were more interesting. I liked the definite bowl tie-ins - Pac 10 v. Big 10 in the Rose Bowl, Big 8 in the Orange, etc.... I hate the BCS. I would much rather have 4 interesting bowls on Jan 1 than one sometimes championship game sometime later in January.

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Co-Sign.

I like the notion that not everything has a defined winner. I also like the fact that this way a 10-1 team can have a great season and not feel like they get screwed at the end.

goofball 12-07-2005 09:00 PM

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Nebraska got trounced too by Colorado. That was the year Oregon got screwed.


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