5/10 QQ hand in SB
 

Who 3bets flop, and who check-raises turn, and who calls the whole way?
(no read on villian, just sat at table)

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 calls, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero ?

Re: 5/10 QQ hand in SB
 

I three-bet the flop and go from there. I neither want to allow a free card by checking the turn nor give villain an easy chance to fold if he's decent by check-raising the turn.

If I'm capped on the flop I probably bet the turn and call down from if raised again.

Re: 5/10 QQ hand in SB
 

I generally 3-bet the flop.

Going for a checkraise on the turn would be my second choice.

I think your hand is too good to call the whole way. MP1 probably just has a ten or a pocket pair. A hand like A7s is also possible.

I will admit that calling the whole way versus a worse pocket pair has its advantages if Villain will release that pair versus further aggression. But there are other things Villain could have, and a lot of players are taking a pocket pair to showdown unless the board gets scarier.

In any event, at the point where you have the question mark, I say go ahead and checkraise. (And while thanks to the turn card you'd like 88 and 66 to fold, Villain will see a river with those hands unless you're lucky.)

Re: 5/10 QQ hand in SB
 

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I three-bet the flop and go from there. I neither want to allow a free card by checking the turn nor give villain an easy chance to fold if he's decent by check-raising the turn.

If I'm capped on the flop I probably bet the turn and call down from if raised again.

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I agree with this. I try not to get too fancy with a good hand OOP. Just play it fast.

Re: 5/10 QQ hand in SB
 

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Who 3bets flop

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me.

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check-raises turn

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since you didn't 3-bet the flop I think this is your best option on the turn as you likely still have the best hand and if 3-bet you have a lot of outs against two pair.

Re: 5/10 QQ hand in SB
 

3-bet the flop here. You've got an overpair, but you want to charge MP1 for drawing to an A, K, or 2 pair. Regardless of whether he caps the flop or not, continue to be aggressive and bet out on the turn.

However, since you just called the flop, I would have check-raised the turn. You still have an overpair, so get maximum value for it. If MP1 3-bets you, simply call the hand down.

Re: 5/10 QQ hand in SB
 

..............raises!!! thats why you called the flop. Waiting for an extra big bet in this case is super . if SB called, i would have 3 bet flop however.

Re: 5/10 QQ hand in SB
 

I might 3-bet the flop, but given the drawless board and the the fact that it's heads up, smooth calling with the intention of raising the turn seems better.

Calling the whole way makes little sense, especially without the arrival of an overcard on the board.

Re: 5/10 QQ hand in SB
 

I like the call on the flop and check raise the turn. He would likely slowplay a set and is likely to have AT,KT. By just calling his flop bet and checking the turn he may think you have an UI AK and feel good about the turn where you pop him and tie him up.

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smooth calling with the intention of raising the turn seems better.


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Perfect spot for it.

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smooth calling with the intention of raising the turn seems better.


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Perfect spot for it.

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I disagree.

One thing I've noticed a lot from small stakes players, particularly weaker ones, is that they like to raise the flop with mediocre made hands, check the turn behind (even though that basically sucks), and call a river bet.

It's a tight-weak line that basically hopes to keep you from messing with them but also fails to protect their hand or extract max value from draws and such. I think part of the explanation is psychological: small stakes player don't like having to make tough decisions on the big bet streets, they don't like getting check-raised, and so forth.

So the fact that the board is drawless DOES NOT mean that villain is never going to check the turn.

Basically, when the turn checks through and we only make 2 BB total instead of 3.5, we lose a lot of value. The advantage of check-raising the turn is only .5 BB over just three-betting the flop and leading from there.

So we're risking 1.5 BB to make .5, meaning we need to be at least 75% sure villain will check the turn.

Add in the fact that check-raising gives an observant opponent any easy opportunity to fold and may slow down an aggro. type who'll raise a worse hand on the flop or turn, and I think there's no question that three-betting and leading is much better here.

Re: 5/10 QQ hand in SB
 

I three bet the flop and lead turn whether it is capped or not. If it is capped, and he raises my lead, I call down.

The only reason I would not 3 bet this is because I am going for a bet/3 bet line on the turn, but against an unknown, I'm not doing this because I don't know if I'll have the opportunity or have a read on his hand.

Re: 5/10 QQ hand in SB
 

I 3 bet the flop and see what happens. Hand is most likely best and hate to see him check behind on turn and see a free card even though board is not really draw heavy. If I knew opponent would bet turn here unimproved most times I would think about the turn check raise but against unknown I wouldn't.