HU Hand vs Strassa
 

History: Strass comes and sits at several of my tables at once and even one HU or 3 handed, so im thinking he doesnt remember my new SN (which it was later confirmed he didnt).

I stacked him twice with sets. once he turned a pair + OESD after raising pf and I CR'd all in on the turn after leading the flop into him and checking the turn with my set, he thought and called and MHWG.

next one he opens i call w/ 55 and this time I CR my set on a 9 high st/fl drawish flop and he pushes with just overs and MHWG. so he may or may not be tilting against me.

by the time this hand came up I AIM'd and he now knows my SN and what charity his donations are going towards.

but other than the above, we really havent run into each other too much in the past.

HU: He has been kinda running me over, raising a ton and betting lots of flops, winning small pots.

so I have $2700 to start the hand and he has 4600.

he raises OOP to $60 and I call with AQo.

flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

he quickly bets 120 and I call.

turn: A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

he bets 320 and I call.

river: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

he thinks for a long while and bets $1100 and I call.

comments on any street welcome.

thanks,

fsuplayer

Re: HU Hand vs Strassa
 

With those stacks at the river, I would expect him to overbet or check/raise any hand better than yours. I think you should push.

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i don't see how he calls you with anything other than an ace/full here, i think calling is ok given how you got to the river, i'd like to try to take control of the pot sometime before then though

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I like your line, but significantly less than I like your location.

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you really have to right click---> view image to get the full effect.

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Re: HU Hand vs Strassa
 

if strassa really has been running fsu over does this mean:

A. he expexts fsu to have a real hand here due to the frequency of his laydowns, and all that hes going to get to fold here is maybe an oddly played flush draw, and thus he is NOT bluffing

OR

B. he expects fsu to be calling down light because of his increased aggression, and that he can push fsu off of his weak two pair

How to determine this is beyond me, and the case for raising the river hangs on which of the two it is imo

I would tend to like a raise at some point before the river, most likely the turn, but i understand you think he has air and want to let him bluff. Once he continues to fire this way i think you can only cold call the river as he is either bluffing or has a monster, he is VERY unlikely to simply have the case A no kicker.

Re: HU Hand vs Strassa
 

good last paragraph.

btw, i should have stated somewhere that no way am I folding this hand once i see this turn.

Re: HU Hand vs Strassa
 

I think the main decision point is the river. AQ is a classic "small pot" hand so not raising on other streets seems fine to me.

I think you played it the way I would tend to play it.

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dinner!

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this bet means only 2 things to me. you are beat or he has complete air. really tough to fold there the way it was played.. i do like a raise on the turn though, but as other posters have mentioned, if hes been running you over, you can tyr to get him to keep betting.. though strassas good enough to pick up on that too and likely wont fire so big at the river imo. i duno i get a vibe he has something like 88. i could be way off though. also, i suppose something like 7T is possible as well. holla

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boy was i playing good that day

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I play it the same.

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get it in and expect him to look you up often enough with JJ-KK. and of course any A, but i don't think that is often in his hand.

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as played what kind of hand is Strassa putting you on?

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I think it comes down to this: how likely is Strassa to fire a third barrel with air or fire/call a value bet on the river with something like QQ based on your prior history together?...if the probability on both of those two things is low, I like a turn raise....otherwise, I like how you played it - although I might've pushed the river, especially if he thinks there's any chance you could be bluff-raising....basically my feeling is that by that point you've gotten all the possible bluff value out of your hand, you're not all that deep, more than half your stack is already in the middle, and you have a strong hand against a non-donk player - I stick the rest in there and give him a chance to talk himself into calling with a worse hand (particularly with how bad you say he's been running)....if he shows me AK or nines full, he gets my money.....

EDIT: I also forgot that this hand started and ended Heads-Up.....makes even more of a case for pushing the river because all of the worse-ace hands comprise a much bigger part of his range than at even a four- or five-handed table....

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does my hand being AK instead of AQ have any impact on anyone's turn/river plays?

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it shouldn't

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disagree.

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Dont now how past history was between you both. He is capable of value betting very thin Strassa could hav KK here and would call my push w/ it some % i'd think. We both kinda aggro tho [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

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http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a129/chuddo/push.jpg
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*RESULTS*
 

I thought about pushing on the river, but i thought that he has air or a fullhouse at least as often as he has Ax here, given the way the hand went down.

It felt at the time in the hand as if he was finally excited I was calling his bets and he was waking up with a huge hand this time.

with standard 2k starting stacks, i think its an easy river push with a few hundred left, as he may call with some one pair hand he was bluffing/value betting like KK-JJ.

as the stacks were however, I dont think he pays off the last thousand without at least an ace, esp. given that i hadnt show him any moves of bluffs. (just sets [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img])


so i called and he showed A10o and MHIG.

thanks for the replies.

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He's obviously calling a push with his actual holding, yes?

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yes, pretty sure from the way things had been going between us at the time.

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this is pretty thin call, but its a call nonetheless.

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reasoning?

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I'm fairly sure I'm not calling off the rest versus you here. Takes a lot of moxy to bluff in a spot like that and I dont think the price would be nearly good enough because you'd never value raise a worse hand.

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i reiterate turn raise :-)

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Seems pretty standard to me, i can't really imagine playing it any other way, especially given the dynamic at the time.

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I thought about pushing on the river, but i thought that he has air or a fullhouse at least as often as he has Ax here, given the way the hand went down.

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Pushing wouldn't even cross my mind here. I think AT+/air is a reasonable range for strassa- potting the river with Ax seems pretty pointless. Check to snap off a bluff, 1/3 or 1/2 pot it for value/to freeze a bigger ace, but don't pot it. Potting it with AT is a little thin, but it is easy to put fsu on Ax here, and strassa has been LAGing it up, so it seems ok.

Also, strassa should be folding AJ/AT to a river raise. Hardly anyone bluffs here- we all look in retrospect and say wow, what a perfect spot to bluff... but in the moment it doesn't happen. If strassa has to consider calling for the rest here, he shouldn't be leading for 1/2 of his stack in the first place.

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yeah but you didnt know it was fsu right?

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what about vs a turn raise?

seems much harder to fold then

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as i mentioned above, by the time this hand went down, he knew it was me.

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well then yeah I like just calling down here. He wont pay you off if you pop him on the river and he certainly could have you beat. In fact you are probably only good about 1/2 the time (I dont think he would ever bluff here, or rarely if so), so that only leaves value bets from Ax hands and hands that you lose to. But, you will win enough of the time to call.

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does he fold AK to a river push? AQ? He must call w/ worse and fold better some % of the time im sure- however i think if he is folding AT to your river raise you should be bluff raising this river w/ any 2.

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some of the comments in this thread are mind-boggling. i think a number of you need to study the pictures i have posted thoroughly and think about this entire hand in greater depth.

knock yourselves out and do some math even if you want.

i could expound, but with the mhnl headsup invitational coming up, i prefer possible competition having (imo mind you) faulty analysis of situations such as this.

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bluffraising is fine and all but its tough to get to the river with any two cards when the guy is betting the pot on a paired board.

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I think the main problem with bluffraising any 2 is that AT/AJ are about the only strong hands that could fold. Anything bigger, he has priced himself in to call, b/c at this point he is tied/ahead of hands fsu might raise for value. Any smaller Ax and he is probably taking a different line somewhere.

So, if you buy that, you are hoping for AJ/AT/air (and hoping against AK/AQ/A9/A8/A6/99/88/66). If you think strassa is on air enough that you are planning to float to the river and then take it, I guess I have trouble arguing with that- it just doesn't seem like a winner. Also, with the turn pairing the board you aren't getting a whole lot of value from any draws you have while you are sticking around.

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1. What is going on in the second picture?

2. Math sux, I think strassa's river plan with his stronger hands is something along the lines of:

AQ or better: pot/call.
AJ/AT: pot/fold
Ax: "something else" (check/call, bet small/call, or bet small/fold, i dunno which, but not pot/fold)

AQ does not do so well raising here.

Which part of this don't you agree with?

Re: HU Hand vs Strassa
 

Great game selection you two! I do like the way you played the hand though.