Explain ND over Oregon ....
 

Oregon is #5 in the BCS and ND is #6, yet by getting #6 ND was "guaranteed" a spot in the BCS? And Oregon was not? I'm so confused.

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anyone in the top 4 of the BCS gets and automatic bid, hence tOSU getting in. Notre Dame is given an exemption from this, because they are a high profile team that is not in a conference. Pretty much everyone wins if ND is in a BCS bowl, except of course #5

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Oregon is #5 in the BCS and ND is #6, yet by getting #6 ND was "guaranteed" a spot in the BCS? And Oregon was not? I'm so confused.

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Independent teams only need to reach #6 in the BCS to be gauranteed a spot. Teams in a conference needs at least 4th. I beleieve this is due to the fact that a independent team will play a tougher schedule (as ND usaully does). Oh and another reason the Fiesta Bowl commitee actaully wants people to watch the game. Even though Oregon is 10-1 or whatever I get the feeling they can't compete with tOSU. ND vs OSU is a much better matchup IMO.

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ND is at a disadavantage because they because they dont have a conference tie in to the BCS, so without their automatic berth for being #6 or higher, they would have to be #1 or #2 to get an automatic berth, which really wouldnt be fair.

But this ND over Oregon crap should just stop now. If Oregon wants to bitch, they should bitch about FSU getting in over them. or WVU for that matter.

Please note that I don't think ND is truely at a disadvantage because they will almost always get picked if they are elligible, but this is why they get automatically picked when they are #6 or higher.

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Oregon is #5 in the BCS and ND is #6, yet by getting #6 ND was "guaranteed" a spot in the BCS? And Oregon was not? I'm so confused.

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Oregon should have finished #4. Simple as that. Now STFU and enjoy your trip to the Holiday Bowl, and don't look as foolish as Cal did last year.

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Oregon should have finished #4.

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LOL.

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ND is at a disadavantage

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lol

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If Oregon wants to bitch, they should bitch about FSU getting in over them. or WVU for that matter.

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Will do.

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It's actually not because ND isn't in a conference, it's that they are NOT in BCS conference. A top 6 team from a non-BCS conference gets an automatic bid. Hence the reason #6 Utah was in a BCS game last year and #5 Cal wasn't, which is basically the exact same situation as this year. So this might be a "Notre Dame Rule" but it benefits other teams as well.

Two years in a row a #6 team gets the auto bid while the #5 team didn't. Seems like a system that only something as idiotic as the BCS could come up with

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If Oregon wants to bitch, they should bitch about FSU getting in over them. or WVU for that matter.

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If Oregon wants to bitch, they should stop scheduling Division I-AA teams and beat better competition (and dont tell me that FSU is great competition, because they lost to Louisana Tech last week). In one of the prior iterations of the BCS points system, teams would lose BCS points when scheduling I-AA teams for every loss that the I-AA team had. Considering that Montana had 4 losses, Oregon could have been below ND if that system were used.

Also considering that ND hasnt gotten BCS money in 5 years and Oregon gets some every year, I dont feel too bad about this at all.

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If Oregon wants to bitch, they should bitch about FSU getting in over them. or WVU for that matter.

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Also considering that ND hasnt gotten BCS money in 5 years and Oregon gets some every year, I dont feel too bad about this at all.

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Also considering that ND hasnt gotten BCS money in 5 years and Oregon gets some every year, I dont feel too bad about this at all.


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its not Oregon's fault that ND doesn't join the BigEast like they are in BB

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If Oregon wants to bitch, they should bitch about FSU getting in over them. or WVU for that matter.

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If Oregon wants to bitch, they should stop scheduling Division I-AA teams and beat better competition (and dont tell me that FSU is great competition, because they lost to Louisana Tech last week). In one of the prior iterations of the BCS points system, teams would lose BCS points when scheduling I-AA teams for every loss that the I-AA team had. Considering that Montana had 4 losses, Oregon could have been below ND if that system were used.

Also considering that ND hasnt gotten BCS money in 5 years and Oregon gets some every year, I dont feel too bad about this at all.

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Um, it's not like Oregon had such a horribly weak schedule when you look at everybody else's schedule. It was harder than just about every SEC, Big East, Big 12, and ACC Schedule.

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alumni and national interest = $$$$$$$$

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Oregon is #5 in the BCS and ND is #6, yet by getting #6 ND was "guaranteed" a spot in the BCS? And Oregon was not? I'm so confused.

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Oregon beat no one. Montana, oooo, Fresno, oooo, Houston, ooo

7 average Pac-10 teams, oooo


Notre Dame had one of the hardest schedules in the land, and honestly, they are probably 1 play from playing against Texas in the Rose Bowl.

ND won

@ Pitt
@ Michigan
@ washington
@ purdue
TENNESSEE
lost to USC by 3

Oregon

FRESNO STATE at home by 3
@ Arizona State
CAL at home

No contest. Just those 4 road wins for ND puts them above Oregon.

Think about it this way, if Notre Dame scheduled Houston at home in stead of USC, they'd be 10-1, and no one would question them going to the Fiesta ranked 3-4.

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Yeah, cause Navy is so much better than Montana.

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Blah, blah. ND barely beat Stanford, etc...

This [censored] could go on forever and is absolutely pointless without matchups to decide who is actually best.

BCS is rigged. Every year I pray that they will fcuk up big time leading to the system's abandonment.

The only game I'll watch this year is USC/Texas. And I will personally paraglide into all the other games to disrupt them in protest.

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Also considering that ND hasnt gotten BCS money in 5 years and Oregon gets some every year, I dont feel too bad about this at all.

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I don't give a crap about this and I don't see why others do.

You think these schools can't afford whatever the hell they want anyway?

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Yeah, cause Navy is so much better than Montana.

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are you serious? Navy is 7-4, Montana is division I-AA

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ND is at a disadavantage

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did you even read my post? or do you just like quoting parts to change the meaning?

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Yeah, cause Navy is so much better than Montana.

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What do you think the line on an Oregon vs. ND game would be?

ND would be favored by at least 5 points. That alone shows they are more deserving in my book.

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Oregon is #5 in the BCS and ND is #6, yet by getting #6 ND was "guaranteed" a spot in the BCS? And Oregon was not? I'm so confused.

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Oregon beat no one. Montana, oooo, Fresno, oooo, Houston, ooo

7 average Pac-10 teams, oooo


Notre Dame had one of the hardest schedules in the land, and honestly, they are probably 1 play from playing against Texas in the Rose Bowl.

ND won

@ Pitt
@ Michigan
@ washington
@ purdue
TENNESSEE
lost to USC by 3

Oregon

FRESNO STATE at home by 3
@ Arizona State
CAL at home

No contest. Just those 4 road wins for ND puts them above Oregon.

Think about it this way, if Notre Dame scheduled Houston at home in stead of USC, they'd be 10-1, and no one would question them going to the Fiesta ranked 3-4.

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ND schedule (current ranks) record of opponents

at Pittsburgh: 5-6, T3rd-5th Big East
at (20) Michigan: 7-4, T3rd-6th Big Ten
Michigan State: 5-6, 9th place Big Ten
at Washington: 2-9, TLast Place Pac Ten
at Purdue: 5-6, 8th place Big Ten
(1) USC: 12-0, 1st place Big Ten
Brigham Young: 6-5, T2nd-3rd Montain West
Tennessee: 5-6, T4th-5th SEC Eastern Division
Navy: 7-4, Independent
Syracuse: 1-10, Last Place Big East
at Stanford: 5-6, T4th-6th Pac Ten

So, ND played 4 teams with a winning record, 2 from major conferences, and only 1 on the road; that's not too spectacular. While it looked tough on paper, those teams turned out not to be such on the field. Don't believe the hype. Those four road games are easier than what members of the big 5 conferences play every year as a part of their normal schedule.

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Also considering that ND hasnt gotten BCS money in 5 years and Oregon gets some every year, I dont feel too bad about this at all.

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This isn't like some sort of financial aid program where we give BCS bids to teams that need the money (and I think that ND is doing just fine financailly by the way), if they wanted a yearly cut they could join a major conference.

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Yeah, cause Navy is so much better than Montana.

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Are people gonna bitch about this stupid [censored] all month?

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MyTurn2Raise,

Thanks for expanding on ND's easy schedule. You beat me to it.

ND's schedule is weak compared to the likes of PSU or OSU or even Texas.

-Fink

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TheRover,

Yes. Why should 2005 be different than every other year?

-Fink

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It's an easy explanation Notre Dame has a bigger fan base so they get into a bowl that they don't deserve.

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ND's schedule is weak compared to the likes of PSU

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or OSU

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or even Texas.

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Definitely not.

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Also considering that ND hasnt gotten BCS money in 5 years and Oregon gets some every year, I dont feel too bad about this at all.

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This isn't like some sort of financial aid program where we give BCS bids to teams that need the money (and I think that ND is doing just fine financailly by the way), if they wanted a yearly cut they could join a major conference.

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I love how people chop posts up and only take one sentence to quote. The main point of my post was that Oregon shouldnt schedule I-AA teams and other creampuffs, then bitch when they dont get any respect. The money comment was just a response to people say that the decision (which there wasnt one by the way since they got in automatically) was all about the money.

Clearly they could join a conference, but I'm sure the fact that they dont share any TV revenues, licensing revenues or anything else (including BCS money) more than makes up for the fact that they havent gotten $1.5 million from the BCS each of the last 5 years. What they should not do is join the Big East, since we'd see them in the BCS every goddamn year for the rest of time since the Big East sucks and will continue to suck at football.

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I was wondering the same thing.

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I hate when people argue, well more people will watch ND than Oregon, and they are more popular so they should play. More people would watch a team of Gorillas that doesn't mean they should be in the BCS. The fact of the matter is ND's best game all season was a loss. Oregon lost to USC and beat everyone else. It seems when Miami has a bad game and loses to GT everyone points at it, or LSU losing to Tenessee, or VT losing to FSU, or etc. Yet everyone ignores that ND lost to a bad MSU team.

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Also considering that ND hasnt gotten BCS money in 5 years and Oregon gets some every year, I dont feel too bad about this at all.

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This isn't like some sort of financial aid program where we give BCS bids to teams that need the money (and I think that ND is doing just fine financailly by the way), if they wanted a yearly cut they could join a major conference.

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I love how people chop posts up and only take one sentence to quote. The main point of my post was that Oregon shouldnt schedule I-AA teams and other creampuffs, then bitch when they dont get any respect. The money comment was just a response to people say that the decision (which there wasnt one by the way since they got in automatically) was all about the money.

Clearly they could join a conference, but I'm sure the fact that they dont share any TV revenues, licensing revenues or anything else (including BCS money) more than makes up for the fact that they havent gotten $1.5 million from the BCS each of the last 5 years. What they should not do is join the Big East, since we'd see them in the BCS every goddamn year for the rest of time since the Big East sucks and will continue to suck at football.

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I'm glad Michigan didn't have to play Louisville with a healthy Bromm. 7-5 would have looked so bad

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I hate when people argue, well more people will watch ND than Oregon, and they are more popular so they should play. More people would watch a team of Gorillas that doesn't mean they should be in the BCS. The fact of the matter is ND's best game all season was a loss. Oregon lost to USC and beat everyone else. It seems when Miami has a bad game and loses to GT everyone points at it, or LSU losing to Tenessee, or VT losing to FSU, or etc. Yet everyone ignores that ND lost to a bad MSU team.

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Again, anyone that watched MSU this year will tell you, MSU was very good for the first 5.5 games. MSU beat ND on the road, should have beaten Michigan at home, and was trouncing the #4 team in the land until the coaching staff blew it with the field goal block.


The thing that I find really funny is this:

If USC lost in the last game vs. UCLA, they probalby would have dropped to only 4, 5, or 6, so the final standings would have been like so:

1. Texas
2. Penn St.
3. Ohio State
4. Oregon
5. USC
6. Notre Dame

And Oregon would still have gotten jobbed, as Ohio St would still get the auto birth #1, and ND get the auto berth #2

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Oregon is #5 in the BCS and ND is #6, yet by getting #6 ND was "guaranteed" a spot in the BCS? And Oregon was not? I'm so confused.

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Oregon beat no one. Montana, oooo, Fresno, oooo, Houston, ooo

7 average Pac-10 teams, oooo


Notre Dame had one of the hardest schedules in the land, and honestly, they are probably 1 play from playing against Texas in the Rose Bowl.

ND won

@ Pitt
@ Michigan
@ washington
@ purdue
TENNESSEE
lost to USC by 3

Oregon

FRESNO STATE at home by 3
@ Arizona State
CAL at home

No contest. Just those 4 road wins for ND puts them above Oregon.

Think about it this way, if Notre Dame scheduled Houston at home in stead of USC, they'd be 10-1, and no one would question them going to the Fiesta ranked 3-4.

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Sure they would question it.

You actually used the @Washington game as part proof that they played a tough schedule? Not to mention @ Pitt. Tennesee sucked this year too.

I'm a huge Husky fan, but we flat out sucked this year. The last 2 years it's been a fantasy to be considered a tough opponent on anyones schedule.

The only thing one can brag about Husky-wise is that my seats will improve next year as more season ticket holders refuse to re sign. Woo Hoo!!!

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USC shouldn't drop that much. They should still get an auto-bid from flat-out dominating this season.

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Mich ST= bad team

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In the BCS there is a lot of dollar signs. Hell, the whole reason Texas jumped Cal last year for the Rose bowl is because there was little to no interest in Cal. I highly believe Texas made some type of deal under the table and said if you put us there, 40,000+ fans will travel out to LA, fill up your hotels and go to the game. Sure enough we did come, and it turned out to be one of the best Rose Bowls in history.

Same with Oregon. ND has a huge alumni base. Oregon is a good program but it is no ND. All these college presidents want money for their schools. Its about having the hotels/resturants/bars/etc packed to capacity. If the payout for a BCS game was 2 million per team instead of 17 million per team/conference, you would probably see different results.

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In the BCS there is a lot of dollar signs. Hell, the whole reason Texas jumped Cal last year for the Rose bowl is because there was little to no interest in Cal. I highly believe Texas made some type of deal under the table and said if you put us there, 40,000+ fans will travel out to LA, fill up your hotels and go to the game. Sure enough we did come, and it turned out to be one of the best Rose Bowls in history.



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This might be the dumbest thing I have ever heard (except for the part about it being a great game). You think that the voters in both human polls, and the 6 computers all somehow conspired to screw Cal in the last week of the season? I bet you think online poker is rigged too. Cal finished 5th for the same reason that Oregon did this year. They didnt schedule anyone good out of conference, and should have lost to Southern Miss in a nationally televised game that was make or break for them in that last week before the final votes were in. Obviously they werent good enough to be there anyway since they got waxed in the Holiday Bowl (partly due to injuries to their 3 best receivers, but they would have been injured in the Rose Bowl too). I have an affiliation with Pacific Life, who sponsors the Holiday Bowl, and they couldnt get enough tickets for all the Cal fans requesting them, so dont say that the Cal fans wouldnt travel. They traveled to a second tier bowl when they felt they got screwed, so I cant imagine that it would have been much different for their first Rose Bowl in 45 years.

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But this ND over Oregon crap should just stop now. If Oregon wants to bitch, they should bitch about FSU getting in over them. or WVU for that matter.


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Thank God for the voice of reason. This reminds of a mid-major hoops team who got their bubble burst, and is bitching about a deserving team that got in instead of the crappy underachieving 8th place ACC team who lost 10 of their last 12 games but got in because they beat Duke in December. As a corrolary it's always fun picking this team to get bounced in the 1st round no matter who they play.