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Subfallen 12-05-2005 07:02 AM

is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/624/graph4tr.th.jpg

Cumulonimbus 12-05-2005 07:10 AM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
Yes.

Subfallen 12-05-2005 07:13 AM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
kay should i up my aggro i don't know right now i am playijng 33/24/2.5 its a high variance style

bugstud 12-05-2005 07:41 AM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1589/bah19nj.jpg

timprov 12-05-2005 11:14 AM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
Seriously? That's practically a straight line. It's just you.

Victor 12-05-2005 01:50 PM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
thats pretty mild dude.

Escape 12-05-2005 02:38 PM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
:| 55k hands in 22 days? Insane

threeonefour 12-05-2005 03:25 PM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
Bugstud: your graph doesn't look much swingier if at all. you have 1/4 the winrate so your graph only goes up 1/4 as high on the vertical axis. so visually those look like larger swings than subfallen but when you take into account the scale and the winrate you can see they are not that much different.

bugstud 12-05-2005 04:00 PM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
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Bugstud: your graph doesn't look much swingier if at all. you have 1/4 the winrate so your graph only goes up 1/4 as high on the vertical axis. so visually those look like larger swings than subfallen but when you take into account the scale and the winrate you can see they are not that much different.

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yeah I'm really bad at poker

btw, look at the graph again

Victor 12-05-2005 04:07 PM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
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Bugstud: your graph doesn't look much swingier if at all. you have 1/4 the winrate so your graph only goes up 1/4 as high on the vertical axis. so visually those look like larger swings than subfallen but when you take into account the scale and the winrate you can see they are not that much different.

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bugstuds graph is way swingier. thats the nature of a shortterm graph tho. winrate doesnt factor into it.

12-05-2005 04:18 PM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
Wish mine looked like yours

threeonefour 12-05-2005 04:54 PM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
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Bugstud: your graph doesn't look much swingier if at all. you have 1/4 the winrate so your graph only goes up 1/4 as high on the vertical axis. so visually those look like larger swings than subfallen but when you take into account the scale and the winrate you can see they are not that much different.

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bugstuds graph is way swingier. thats the nature of a shortterm graph tho. winrate doesnt factor into it.

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i am pretty sure it isn't... remember that a 2bb/100 player going on a 200BB downswing over 10K hands is basically the same as a .5bb/100 player going on a 350bb downswing over 10K hands.

also: winrate absolutely does factor in.

Victor 12-05-2005 05:54 PM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
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Bugstud: your graph doesn't look much swingier if at all. you have 1/4 the winrate so your graph only goes up 1/4 as high on the vertical axis. so visually those look like larger swings than subfallen but when you take into account the scale and the winrate you can see they are not that much different.

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bugstuds graph is way swingier. thats the nature of a shortterm graph tho. winrate doesnt factor into it.

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i am pretty sure it isn't... remember that a 2bb/100 player going on a 200BB downswing over 10K hands is basically the same as a .5bb/100 player going on a 350bb downswing over 10K hands.

also: winrate absolutely does factor in.

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this makes now sense.

last time i checked 350>200.

threeonefour 12-05-2005 07:11 PM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
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Bugstud: your graph doesn't look much swingier if at all. you have 1/4 the winrate so your graph only goes up 1/4 as high on the vertical axis. so visually those look like larger swings than subfallen but when you take into account the scale and the winrate you can see they are not that much different.

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bugstuds graph is way swingier. thats the nature of a shortterm graph tho. winrate doesnt factor into it.

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i am pretty sure it isn't... remember that a 2bb/100 player going on a 200BB downswing over 10K hands is basically the same as a .5bb/100 player going on a 350bb downswing over 10K hands.

also: winrate absolutely does factor in.

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this makes now sense.

last time i checked 350>200.

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it makes a lot of sense. if a losing player (-4BB/100) loses 1,000BB in a year. do you say he is on a 1000BB downswing? of course not, because he's not swinging at all. going 1000BB is not a rare event, in fact it was what was supposed to happen at the 25K hand mark.

a swing is a deviation from your expectation. over 10K hands a 1BB/100 player should make 100BB. if he is down 100BB people call this a 100BB downswing. this is a much rarer event than a 100BB downswing for a .5BB/100 player because he was only supposed to make 50 BB over those 10K hands. so he is still down 100BB but is only off 150BB from his expectation, rather than 200.

you see what i am getting at? bugstud's graph isn't really swingier, when the slope of his graph goes from +.5 to -3 that is less of a swing than sub's swing from a slope of +2 to -3.

there is actually a statistical test for how 'swingy' a graph is and the point of my post was just to say that perhap bugs graph is swingier but it hard to tell by how much with the naked eye. and that if bug's is in fact swingier its not by some large amount and probably a lot less than you would expect at first glance.

bugstud 12-05-2005 07:22 PM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
you're being a little gung-ho on what the bb/100 of the sample here is, sir.

Subfallen 12-05-2005 07:24 PM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
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you're being a little gung-ho on what the bb/100 of the sample here is, sir.

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haha i think "a little" is being too nice

threeonefour 12-05-2005 07:32 PM

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you're being a little gung-ho on what the bb/100 of the sample here is, sir.

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haha i think "a little" is being too nice

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everything i said takes into account the fact that the 2BB/100 and .5BB/100 are estimated winnrates and not actual winrates. poor estimates even.

Victor 12-05-2005 08:15 PM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
im not arguing rarity.

all i know is that when i lose 300bb i am on a 300bb downswing no matter how rare or common it is.

imported_CaseClosed326 12-05-2005 08:53 PM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
Bah, this is crazy swingy

http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/8301/90k3wy.jpg

Victor 12-05-2005 09:04 PM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
thats nuts.

imported_CaseClosed326 12-05-2005 09:09 PM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
What's nuts is that I started that graph at 1/2. Now I am playing 5/10...

PokerBob 12-05-2005 09:26 PM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
it took you 90K hands to do that?.....amateur.

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/9981/all3pn.jpg

beset7 12-05-2005 10:03 PM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
dude from 42k to 49k is insane.

PokerBob 12-05-2005 10:21 PM

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dude from 42k to 49k is insane.

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yeah, i'm not too thrilled about it.

imported_CaseClosed326 12-05-2005 10:32 PM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
I knew you would come by and one up me...or one down me...

PokerBob 12-05-2005 11:05 PM

Re: is this graph crazy swingy or is it just me?
 
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I knew you would come by and one up me...or one down me...

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believe me, i wish i couldn't. surfbullet is still the winner (loser) in my book.


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