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Isura 12-04-2005 12:32 PM

Isura needs a like check - Hand 1
 
Spawned by my lag thread, I am looking over all parts of my game. What's the standard play on the river. Villain is loose passive, he has called down the flop/turn with TPWK on these types of boards. Do you guys bet 1/2 the pot and try get a call from Kx or a mid pair, or bet full pot and hope to get a crying call?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($46.75)
MP ($40.65)
CO ($49.25)
Button ($73.44)
SB ($51.30)
BB ($61.88)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
Hero calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: ($2.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, MP calls $2, CO folds, BB calls $2.

Turn: ($8.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, MP folds, BB calls $7.

River: ($22.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets ?

-Skeme- 12-04-2005 12:36 PM

Re: Isura needs a like check - Hand 1
 
$12-$15.

pottie 12-04-2005 12:39 PM

Re: Isura needs a like check - Hand 1
 
I bet $20.

GrunchCan 12-04-2005 12:59 PM

Re: Isura needs a like check - Hand 1
 
Here's the way I see it.

It looks like the opponent was on a flush draw. In most cases, he'll fold if you bet one penny.

But in some cases he has some kind of marginal made hand. Maybe a pocket pair, maybe second pair. Something like that. Only when he has a hand like this will he call any bet from you. But if he has a hand like this, he'll usually call any normal bet, which in this case would be about $15. So that's what I do -- bet $15. Expect him to fold most of the time, call sometime, and raise rarely (in which case you fold).

Hattifnatt 12-04-2005 01:01 PM

Re: Isura needs a like check - Hand 1
 
I raise this preflop. As played I would bet 15 or so on the river.

swolfe 12-04-2005 01:11 PM

Re: Isura needs a like check - Hand 1
 
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$12-$15.

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emil3000 12-04-2005 01:56 PM

Re: Isura needs a like check - Hand 1
 
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I bet $20.

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12-04-2005 02:00 PM

Re: Isura needs a like check - Hand 1
 
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I bet $20.

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Maulik 12-04-2005 02:26 PM

Re: Isura needs a like check - Hand 1
 
bet $30-35.

Hattifnatt 12-04-2005 02:28 PM

Re: Isura needs a like check - Hand 1
 
Is this really a time for an overbet? I use to do them in situations where I have a GREAT hand and suspect my opponent to have a VERY GOOD hand. For example if I think my opponent is on a flushdraw and I have a set and fill up same time as the flush appear on the river. Or I have 44 on a 44JJ6 type of board.

Maulik 12-04-2005 02:29 PM

Re: Isura needs a like check - Hand 1
 
I like it because it makes it seem as though you've missed your flush draw, even though you're out of opponent. I think you could get a crying call here for Kx or maybe even a 2pair hand.

Further- if he missed his flush draw yyou get nothing.

Hattifnatt 12-04-2005 02:32 PM

Re: Isura needs a like check - Hand 1
 
My experience is that players much less often suspects bluffs on overbets than PSB. But of course, if you succeed you gain more if you had overbet. Still thinks this is not a time for it though.

-Skeme- 12-04-2005 02:36 PM

Re: Isura needs a like check - Hand 1
 
I don't want to overbet into 86.

Bukem_ 12-04-2005 02:46 PM

Re: Isura needs a like check - Hand 1
 
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I bet $20.

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4_2_it 12-04-2005 02:52 PM

Re: Isura needs a like check - Hand 1
 
$17-$20. Sometimes an odd amount like $17.50 will peak villain's curiosity. Most of time he is folding anyway.

Isura 12-04-2005 04:49 PM

Results
 
I bet $15 and he folded.

cockandbull 12-04-2005 04:55 PM

Re: Results
 
I'd bet the pot on each street. Way i see it, if he's calling 15 he'll call around twenty.


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