Time pots
 

I just moved up to 20/40 live and was recently introduced to the concept of a time pot. One player at the table pays the entire table's time charge ($70 at the Borgata 20/40). The first two pots to exceed 5BB become "time pots," and the winner is required to pay $35 to the person who posted the time. If no pot reaches 5BB before the next time collection, then the poster eats the time charge.

This is apparently a common practice. For the life of me, I can't understand the point of it. Can someone explain what the advantage of it is, especially why someone would run the slight risk of losing $70 for no apparent gain?

It was nice to not have to post time when I was card dead, but I noticed that having to pay the time pot reduces drawing odds. If there are 4BB in the pot on the turn and I have an open ended straight draw, then calling a bet would trigger the time pot and effectively reduce the pot size by almost a full big bet.

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You are misunderstanding what happens if there are no time pots. At this point, everyone would pay separately to reimburse the person who puts up the time pot. And oh yea, in 3 yrs of playing at Borgata, I've literally never EVER seen this happen.

This concept was developed bc tight players save money on collections bc they win fewer pots and adjust for the time pots. It also saves time bc some dealers take forever to take the time from everyone.

Jeff

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You are misunderstanding what happens if there are no time pots. At this point, everyone would pay separately to reimburse the person who puts up the time pot. And oh yea, in 3 yrs of playing at Borgata, I've literally never EVER seen this happen.

This concept was developed bc tight players save money on collections bc they win fewer pots and adjust for the time pots. It also saves time bc some dealers take forever to take the time from everyone.

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It's possible that I did misunderstand, although at my game today there was a 30 minute segment between visiting fish where the game tightened up considerably, no hand went past the flop, and no pot got over 5BB. I was never asked to repay anyone for the time charge.

Then again, I did leave the table for about 2 minutes, so it's possible that the time poster took $7 from my stack.

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Then again, I did leave the table for about 2 minutes, so it's possible that the time poster took $7 from my stack.

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this is probably the case
if you get up from the table before the time pots are complete, they should have taken what you owed. be it $4, $3 or the full $7, depending on how many time pots were completed.

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Time pots definitely speed up the game a bit, unless there are 2 or 3 people with the "What's a time pot" question. I've never seen anyone eat the cash before. Beware of doing time pots at a table with a couple of old rocks that will fold everything the first few hands after a time pot. They try to keep the pot small/don't want to win so that the $ isn't coming out of their stack. If this is happening alot and you're allowed, straddle the first few pots after the time collection.

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I will never participate in the time pots in the 20-40 game. In my experience they almost always kill the action. I will always post my own time. If a couple other people also start refusing to participate, the time pot doesn't happen, and that is good for the game.

Another problem with time pots is that they trigger a lot of fights. A tourist doesn't know what is going on, and he feels like he's getting robbed when someone demands $35 from him. A guy is away for the table for one hand, and people declare the time pot off for that hand. It just isn't worth the aggravation (at least at 20-40).

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Like Jeffage said, one reason is to speed up the game. With a $7 charge, the dealer often has to make change (in comparison with a $5 charge), and it can take a little while. (That and using a 4/8 chip structure can make 20/40 a slower game than 10/20). Also, there is the idea that if you win a pot, you won't mind paying. Loose players don't like time pots because they often have to pay.

But I don't think they are worth the aggravation I have seen where there will be an argument for five minutes over someone owing $3 when in a typical hand you can lose $100 without thinking about it.

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i've been at one table where we planned to do a time pot, 5/10 pl at foxwoods and it seemed to go fine, combined with the fact that moneymaker was at the table and was paying time for the entire table every couple dealers. at the borgata in all my time ive never seen a time pot, although in big bet games its not uncommon to see a player pay time for the entire table after taking down a monster pot

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Borgata 10/20 people usually do not do time pots (some would not know what one is if you want to do one, and it takes too long to explain what it is), but higher it is common.

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I played in the Borgata 10/20 from Thursday to Sat night and about half of my games had time pots. Very nice, since I ended up having to pay exactly $0 in time for 8 hours on Saturday. A few nits insisted on sitting out of the time pots, but the majority of players at the tables (loooooooooose!) participated smoothly. I did not notice any players tightening up until time had been fully reimbursed, which sometimes does occur.

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My presence must forbid time pots then, because I can count on my left hand how many time pot sessions I have played at 10/20 at the Borgata. And when I played 20/40 two weeks ago, I won pots during the time pots, so I ended up paying some.

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i was playing 10/20 borg saturday and was pleasantly surprised to see timepots occurring.

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i was playing 10/20 borg saturday and was pleasantly surprised to see timepots occurring.

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It must have been my absence that caused this. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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i was playing 10/20 borg saturday and was pleasantly surprised to see timepots occurring.

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Do you recall which table? I was in the must-move game Saturday starting at about 3pm that shed its must-move status at about 5. Table 20 I think. The game was gooooot. Later in the day a half german 2+2er who said he posts a lot in OOT sat in the 5's, but I never got his hame.

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i was playing 10/20 borg saturday and was pleasantly surprised to see timepots occurring.

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Do you recall which table? I was in the must-move game Saturday starting at about 3pm that shed its must-move status at about 5. Table 20 I think. The game was gooooot. Later in the day a half german 2+2er who said he posts a lot in OOT sat in the 5's, but I never got his hame.

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i know that guy

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I was there on Saturday too, playing at table 4.

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You can never go wrong paying your own time all the time.

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We have never played a time pot together at either the Borgata or Taj.

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The game was gooooot.

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it got better after you left, believe it or not.

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turnipmonster once said about time pots: "Some nit figured out how to make the action players pay time for everyone."

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The game was gooooot.

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it got better after you left, believe it or not.

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Were you the guy to my immediate right? Or the half german guy two to my right in the 5's? Or perhaps the Asian guy in the 1's with the insanely hot run of cards? I'm intrigued. And yes, I believe it got better after I left. The overnight 10/20s at Borgata are just absurdly action packed... as a former 6/12er, it is just a different world. Love it.

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The game was gooooot.

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it got better after you left, believe it or not.

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Were you the guy to my immediate right? Or the half german guy two to my right in the 5's? Or perhaps the Asian guy in the 1's with the insanely hot run of cards? I'm intrigued. And yes, I believe it got better after I left. The overnight 10/20s at Borgata are just absurdly action packed... as a former 6/12er, it is just a different world. Love it.

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one of the new guys that showed up tried the old 5-bet bluff heads up on the river (after getting check-raised on said river)

and the guy to your immediate right wasnt doing time pots, so you know that wasnt me.

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yeah, the guy to my immediate right was pretty much a gigantic nit, albeit a quiet one (or so it seemed).

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yeah, the guy to my immediate right was pretty much a gigantic nit, albeit a quiet one (or so it seemed).

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This thread has gotten a bit off topic, BUT I am happy to see that my fellow 2+2ers also enjoy the fish pool known as the Borgata middle limit hold 'em games.

And if you people think that the 10-20 is loose, try the 20-40. It's flat out SICK laggy, much more so than the 10-20 in my limited sample size of 2. Three-betting from the button with 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and capping from the small blind with K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] is not uncommon.