($22) UGLY bubble situation, what do you do?
 

really 2 options. Push and hope he folds or fold and be pretty short. Your play?

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Hero (t935)
BB (t825)
UTG (t4425)
Button (t1815)

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Re: ($22) UGLY bubble situation, what do you do?
 

Toughie. If he is calling with a huge amount of hands I think a fold might be better but it truly sucks giving him chips for free.

If you think he folds this 1/3 or more, I think a push is in order.

ICM needs an "any two" pushing/folding range.

Re: ($22) UGLY bubble situation, what do you do?
 

reads? Weak/tight player, i'll push. Otherwise, I probably fold, rather take a stand with something else.

Re: ($22) UGLY bubble situation, what do you do?
 

Good post. I fold here and pray. 62s and maybe.

Your FE is already gone, fold and pray.

Flame away...

Re: ($22) UGLY bubble situation, what do you do?
 

Could an effective stop and go work in this situation?

My initial thought is NO (even if your 100% he will just ckeck PF).

Thoughts?

Re: ($22) UGLY bubble situation, what do you do?
 

Well since I've been doing them all day...

The nash eq here is roughly 75% push and 71% call. 62o doesn't make the list so he will have to play sub-optimally to push this hand. He just has to fold too often to push here IMO. It is dead even if he calls with 60%.

Brad

Re: ($22) UGLY bubble situation, what do you do?
 

not since he acts before you on the flop.

Re: ($22) UGLY bubble situation, what do you do?
 

People need to go review what the stop and go is. It's not possible here.

What you're probably thinking is to call and push any flop. Anyone think this is a possible line?? You might get him to fold slighly more often.

Re: ($22) UGLY bubble situation, what do you do?
 

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People need to go review what the stop and go is. It's not possible here.

What you're probably thinking is to call and push any flop. Anyone think this is a possible line?? You might get him to fold slighly more often.

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Think the times he just push preflop take away the use of it compared to using what small FE you have and push preflop.

I think pretty much the only realistic play you have here is push or fold, and the former only if you think he is such a weak player that he folds too much.

Re: ($22) UGLY bubble situation, what do you do?
 

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ICM needs an "any two" pushing/folding range.

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u mean eastbay powertools? if u use an * it means any 2.

Re: ($22) UGLY bubble situation, what do you do?
 

I push any two here. Maybe it is dumb, but BB has less chips than you. If you push and he folds, you now have 1235 while he has 525. You can fold and let him make a move.

If you fold, you now have 785 and he has 975. Crap...that makes it closer for me. Ack. He has to pay the SB next hand and the BB sure as hell won't be folding.

Ok, maybe I fold. Maybe.

Re: ($22) UGLY bubble situation, what do you do?
 

Unless you have a read that he is either tight or aggressive, I'm thinking fold. He's just as short as you, he;ll almost certainly fold his SB next hand, you might get something good before an orbit is up and you're in the same spot. I'm thinking a typical donk is calling 75% of the time here.

Also, if you're playing the $22s you can't spare 4 buyins for SNGPT? This is exactly the sort of situation it excels at answering.

Re: ($22) UGLY bubble situation, what do you do?
 

Playing around with SNGPT says it is neutral EV play if he calls with 22+,A2+,K2+,Q2+,J5o+,J2s+,T7o+,T5s+,98o,96s+,87s (top 60%) and -EV if he calls with more hands. People who don't call that much are pretty rare in the 22s and I would have to have a specific read to push.

Re: ($22) UGLY bubble situation, what do you do?
 

I have the power tools and use it often. I like getting opinions from the board also sometimes.

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Good post. I fold here and pray. 62s and maybe.

Your FE is already gone, fold and pray.

Flame away...

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People need to go review what the stop and go is. It's not possible here.

What you're probably thinking is to call and push any flop. Anyone think this is a possible line?? You might get him to fold slighly more often.

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I consider that a stop-n-go (even though the example in the FAQ doesn't mention doing this from the SB).

Anyway, I probably wouldn't do that unless I was really bored.

I would fold here. The chip movement doesn't make too much difference. You are both are going to be short stacks, just like before this hand started.

You still have enough chips where a double-up would give you some breathing room. If you can pick up a hand in the next 3 hands, you will have a great shot at a double up.

Meanwhile, the other short stack will likely try to wait it out since you hit the blinds first.

Bottom line, you do need to double up, but you don't need to do it with 62. You can worry about the other shorty after you handle your own business.

Re: ($22) UGLY bubble situation, what do you do?
 

PVS,

good to hear from you again, whats new???

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ICM needs an "any two" pushing/folding range.

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u mean eastbay powertools? if u use an * it means any 2.

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sweet, I've been wondering if he had a tip for that.