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Furcal

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not a bad deal for la.

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i imagine hes a defensive stud, no?

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he's awesome, underrated 'cause of his errors.

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you think so? I can't think of any deals w/ an AAV of $19m that have been signed recently. there are now a # of $13-$15m guys, but $19M?

well, lets look at the most recent, paul konerko.

if we use the past 3 seasons to project next seasons production using the baseball prospectus stat BRAR (batting runs above replacement) in a 3/2/1 weighting system (i am hijacking this from a poster on SOSH EricVan) then we get this:

manny:

62 x 3
62 x 2
73 x 1

konerko

48 x 3
40 x 2
4 x 1

manny comes out to project to about 63 RAR and konerko comes out to equal 38. of course some will say that, hey thats not fair konerko had a horrible year in 03, while i will say, yeah manny didnt!

manny cashes in at 3.30 runs per million

konerko cashes in at 2.92 per million spent

lets be very optimistic for konerko and eliminate 2003 (which i dont see a good reason to, but will for humor purposes)

konerko then clocks in at 44.8 expected runs which is 3.44 runs per million, still barely more cost efficient than ramirez.

lets now do abreu

his BRAR

54 x 3
73 x 2
60 x 1

projects to produce about 61 runs above replacement level, which equates to 4.17 runs per million.

you can now easily see why the red sox would do this deal, and philly would laugh at it.


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Furcal cashes in at 2.24 expected BRAR per million, However, he plays a premium position and apprently very well.

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Furcal was injured the first half of last year. If he stays healthy he'll be amazing.

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This deal shows why the Braves win so much - no way is a powerless player like Furcal worth more than 8-9 million. He's a very good lead-off batter, and maybe slightly above average defensively with all his errors even with his great arm. And now he is the highest salary on the Dodgers?

As a Braves fan, I can think of much better uses for $13 million.

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Furcal cashes in at 2.24 expected BRAR per million, However, he plays a premium position and apprently very well.

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Doesn't BRAR factor in positional adjustments?

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Furcal cashes in at 2.24 expected BRAR per million, However, he plays a premium position and apprently very well.

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Doesn't BRAR factor in positional adjustments?

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BRARP does

and i dont see it on the DT card [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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this is the equivalent of getting rivered by a 2 outer. goddamn it.

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2.64/RARP

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If you factor in defense you could probably make it about 3.84/RARP (15 RAR SS). Maybe 3.5 is better. Manny, Konerko, and Abreu are all below average defenders. Manny and Abreu are probably at or below replacement level, Konerko might be above replacement.

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Good deal for Furcal. Good deal for LA. He'll really help LA, especially if the poor man's Rafael Furcal doesn't heel fully from Tommy John surgury. The thing I like most about this deal from both perspectives is it's only for three years. The Dodgers aren't locked in if Izturis and thier prospects give them cheaper alternatives, and Furcal will be a free agent again at the age of 30, giving him another chance to score a big contract.

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Konerko might be above replacement.

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He had very poor defensive ratings until last season. I have to think the CWS pitching had something to do with his defensive rating last year.

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this is the equivalent of getting rivered by a 2 outer. goddamn it.

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[censored], [censored] [censored] [censored]. Worthless [censored].

kill me.

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wait, are they actually benching izturis, or just moving him to second?

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Gah! The Neifi! I just puked, thanks a lot.

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this is the equivalent of getting rivered by a 2 outer. goddamn it.

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[censored], [censored] [censored] [censored]. Worthless [censored].

kill me.

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Who knows, maybe Cedeno will get a shot.....[img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

I just hope they don't trade half the organization to get wife-beater Lugo.

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Cedeno getting a shot would be great. They won't compete anyway and Cedeno might be a nice suprise.

Your Lugo scenario is realistic because it would be incredibly stupid to do...except Hendry hasn't really done anything like that yet (that I can remember). But every overrated mediocrity is always rumored to be coming to Chicago and they can't all be baseless.

There's little chance the Cubs compete next year. There's no point to trading prospects for some POS rental, but with a GM in the last year of his contract it feels inevitable.

I [censored] hate these guys.

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wait, are they actually benching izturis, or just moving him to second?

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If he's healthy, there's no way they bench him. They'd move him to 2nd I'd guess. But if he's not healthy.....

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wait, are they actually benching izturis, or just moving him to second?

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If he's healthy, there's no way they bench him. They'd move him to 2nd I'd guess. But if he's not healthy.....

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so he's healthy. izturis goes to second, kent to first, choi goes on the bench...and this is a good signing? wtf

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wait, are they actually benching izturis, or just moving him to second?

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If he's healthy, there's no way they bench him. They'd move him to 2nd I'd guess. But if he's not healthy.....

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so he's healthy. izturis goes to second, kent to first, choi goes on the bench...and this is a good signing? wtf

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Don't as me. I can't fathom that much cash for Furcal. And I think Izturis rules, too. Yet another Dodger head-scratcher.

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Izturis rules? Eh? What?

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Besides, it's only 3 years for Furcal. That's a LOT better than 5 years for Konerko.

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Cedeno getting a shot would be great. They won't compete anyway and Cedeno might be a nice suprise.

Your Lugo scenario is realistic because it would be incredibly stupid to do...except Hendry hasn't really done anything like that yet (that I can remember). But every overrated mediocrity is always rumored to be coming to Chicago and they can't all be baseless.

There's little chance the Cubs compete next year. There's no point to trading prospects for some POS rental, but with a GM in the last year of his contract it feels inevitable.

I [censored] hate these guys.

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As long as Dusty is running things, Cedeno will absolutely NOT get a shot. Neifi will be playing everyday and hitting 1st or 2nd. Kill me now.

And be prepared for Dusty and Hendry to get extensions around Spring Training.