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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls.

River: (18.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks his balls, they are small so he plans on calling.

Villian is 63/15/1.5 over 800.

Krishan

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Preflop looks like AA, KK, AK, AQ. 6, 6, 12, and 4 combos respectivly. I guess there are other possible holdings too, but not too many. Does AA and KK really go this nutso on the flop and turn? AK certainly doesn't. If he overplays is AA or KK like this 33% of the time, then he is equally likely for you to beat him or for him to be beating you, meaning you should check call. You need to be twice as good to try a bet/call. I think a check/call is the only option here.

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Limpcapping AQ makes no sense.

Capping anything but AQ on a QQxx board on flop and turn makes no sense.

Either way he is not a good player but I would checkcall river. He will have AQ, 66, Q6 or Q7 to often.

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I dont think we can understand a player who is 63/15/1.5. He can have pretty much everything preflop and on the flop. But I think the cap on the turn means business(nut or air).

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Looks good to me, I think I check call and throw up when I see AQ

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I dont think we can understand a player who is 63/15/1.5. He can have pretty much everything preflop and on the flop. But I think the cap on the turn means business(nut or air).

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Although it is much harder to read this player, we can still try. You can't just say he could have "pretty much everything preflop". Gotta at least try to do rough weighing...

AA or KK twice as often as everything else combined... 66 more often than QT... obviously we are not going to be exact here, but we can at least try to step inside the mentality of this player, and use those assumptions to see what may be correct. You are right that postflop gives us a much better indication of his hand than preflop, but you still have to weigh in the preflop factors.

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He either played 66 brilliantly or AA retardedly. AQ/KQ are possible.

Very close river decision. I think a check/call is in order.

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He either played 66 brilliantly or AA retardedly.

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I think not. The brillaint part that is.

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Skimmed a few responses- as others have mentioned the limp/cap means nothing. Victor calls this guy "Random four bet dude". PP's are favorite hands for them to do this with. so is 95o, what ever you know knowthing preflop.
As far as the flop and turn, its heads up, no overlay from osmeone else, i usually slo down after he raises the turn. 66 is what his hand looks like to me, either that or air. Let him bluff. If you've played with him a lot and he will way over play QT like this here then i am much more in favor of the three bet, with no read that he goes overly nutso i just call down.

Secondly, what do you think about calling the flop raise and donking the turn if hes aggro (1.5 ag with 65 vpip looks like). You aften have BB drawing thin to dead and can pick up another 1.5 BB's from him.

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"but you still have to weigh in the preflop factors."

The limp cap means nothing. trying to weigh this action (barring severl previous specific instances) means nothing. His post flop action should be suffice to tell you that you are most likely beat, but in a huge pot there is more than enough chance of noting/worse queen to call this river bet.

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"but you still have to weigh in the preflop factors."

The limp cap means nothing. trying to weigh this action (barring severl previous specific instances) means nothing.

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I disagree. Doesn't look like I will be able to convince you though. Just think about it.

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Victor calls this guy "Random four bet dude".

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At Canterbury this guy is called "random cap guy." I love that guy.

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Derg? Derg? DERG!!!!
I'll miss you Derg.

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Secondly, what do you think about calling the flop raise and donking the turn if hes aggro

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I like this a lot.

It makes sense because:

1) BB is the hard one to keep in and if we just call and donk he will not be sure we got a great hand.

2) Normally a limpreraise means AA-KK and then this overaggressive guy will surely raise turn and we can 3bet and win a nice pot untill he shows us we are wrong.

Now it looks like bad guy didnt have AA or KK but this got nothing to do with it. Normally that is exactly what he got and we should act on it.

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Looks good, once he caps turn you have to start thinking Q6/Q7/66/AQ is more likely than AA/KK/worse Q/something random. I might c/r turn and calldown a 3-bet if I think he will slowdown too early w/hands you beat, but bet/3-bet is probably better against a v aggro player. I also like flop bet/call, turn bet/3-bet as was suggested.

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i really dont think your hand is strong enough to bet/3bet the turn.

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i really dont think your hand is strong enough to bet/3bet the turn.

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Are you worried about Q6, AQ, or 66? Because after the pf/flop action i'd be trying to figure out how to cash in on this guys AA/KK more than anything, and bet-3bet looks like a great line. Once we get capped we may be in serious trouble, though.

Surf

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after this guy raises the turn i cant see us having more than 66.6% pot equity. this guy needs to be a supernutso clown to be playing AA this hard.