How do we like this river checkraise?
 

CO is 24/17/2, but seems to be playing even LAGgier tonight. Sort of a loose cannon. MP2 is an unknown.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (7 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (9.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>

Re: How do we like this river checkraise?
 

I don't. Your cold call on the flop raise with two spades showing automatically labels you for chasing the flush. MP abviously has something, either ak, qq or maybe something like aj.

at any rate, you are most likely dominated. id call the river.

Re: How do we like this river checkraise?
 

hey pj, i like betting. were you just going to call if MP2 bet?

Re: How do we like this river checkraise?
 

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hey pj, i like betting. were you just going to call if MP2 bet?

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Probably. MP played his hand in a manner similar to AK. If he bet, I would overcall but not like it. I think the c/r gets AK to fold a non-insignificant amount of time. If he's too afraid to bet it when it rivers, he'd be too afraid to call 2 bets with it. Of course, he may have AQ/ATs and is folding anyway, but I also might get a call from CO with a worse hand. That's why I threw in the c/r, for the combined EV of getting MP to fold and CO to call. But obviously I'm not confident with it, hence the post.

Re: How do we like this river checkraise?
 

PJ, what about check 3-betting the flop? It seems like a pretty good to time clean up some outs by folding out an AK/AQ MP2 my have.

Re: How do we like this river checkraise?
 

i would usually bet. the benefit of the c/r, as stated, is to get MP2 to fold to 2 cold. i guess if he will fold AK enough of the time it is good. otherwise it is likely a hand he is folding anyway. i guess your read on CO is accurately LAG so you are quite likely ahead of him, but given MP2 was a pfr he will have AK often enough for it to be a concern, and it would be pretty sweet to fold out a better hand here(the likelihood of that happening would be the crux of the argument TO c/r i guess). like i said, i would usually bet, but i kind of like your aggressive play here as IMO it gives you the best opportunity to fold MP2 if he has AK. that does not mean it will happen, but if it was going to happen on the river this would be the only way.

Re: How do we like this river checkraise?
 

can MP2 also have a hand like 88-----&gt;TT here?

If he does AK only happens 8 times, 88----&gt;TT happens 18 times.

Would he call here with these hands? If so, your raise may lose you money?

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Re: How do we like this river checkraise?
 

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hey pj, i like betting.

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Bukkake -- if you bet, MP folds, and CO raises, are you folding?

Re: How do we like this river checkraise?
 

This was what I was thinking too.

Re: How do we like this river checkraise?
 

At first something didn't sit right about this hand, because I didn't like calling two cold on the flop, but after thinking about it, I think it's okay. I don't know if a 3-bet would have gotten MP2 to fold or not.

I like the river check-raise, though.

Re: How do we like this river checkraise?
 

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MP played his hand in a manner similar to AK. If he bet, I would overcall but not like it. I think the c/r gets AK to fold a non-insignificant amount of time.

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You are not putting him on a hand that specific, right?

If you are saying that AK is consistent with his play, and that the c/r may fold AK those times that he has it, then I like your reasoning.

In any case, I like the c/r.

Re: How do we like this river checkraise?
 

Hmm. If MP2 has AK, I suspect he was planning to checkraise with it himself. If he has AK and is worried about a set and plans to check-call the river, why did he even continue past the turn? (Well, I guess he might be hoping you and CO are in fact both on draws.)

What's MP2 going to put you on that gets him to lay down AK? KJ? I guess that's possible. A slowplayed set? Well, we certainly can't rule that out at 5/10.

Anyway, though, my thinking is that MP2 is not likely to hang around with AK this long and then fold TPTK now to a checkraise out of nowhere, but I'm not really sure.

But since MP2 may in fact just have AQ, I'm thinking the checkraise could be for value versus CO anyway.

Re: How do we like this river checkraise?
 

MP folded, CO called and showed KJ, and MHING.

Re: How do we like this river checkraise?
 

What range are you putting MP2 on? AK, AQ, AJ, A10s, KJ, QJ, J10, 1010, 99, 88? (Discounting AJ and KJ b/c I think most 5/10 players will play these stronger on the flop or turn)

I don't see him playing many other hands the way he did.

If this is the range then there is no reason to try knocking him out as he might be inclinde to call one bet with a much less holding.

I like a b/f line here. We can trap the bet of MP2 who might call, but not overcall. I think we can safely fold to a river raise by CO as he has shown nothing but agression and any XJ hand here other than KJ is not raising.

Re: How do we like this river checkraise?
 

I don't like it. If MP2 has you beat he's never folding, I like a call here, hoping MP2 will overcall with a hand you likely beat.