Hopefully a Less Standard Hand than my last (5/10 6max)
 

My last hand bored some peeps, so hopefully this one is more interesting. I'm pretty sure this line isn't standard.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO ($633.62)
Button ($696.75)
Hero ($2535.50)
BB ($1212.75)
UTG ($1551.13)
MP ($315.37)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls $10, MP calls $10, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $55</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $50, MP folds.

Flop: ($140) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $125</font>, Hero calls $125.

Turn: ($390) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $250</font>, Hero calls $250.

River: ($890) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $800</font>, Hero calls $800.

Final Pot: $2490

Re: Hopefully a Less Standard Hand than my last (5/10 6max)
 

Flop check and the turn check, look good. On the turn, I'm check-raising to charge him for his draw and to make his worse hand pay me off.

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I would lead flop or turn. Fold river.

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Flop check and the turn check, look good. On the turn, I'm check-raising to charge him for his draw and to make his worse hand pay me off.

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huh?

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Without a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], I like the flop check. I'm leading a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]-free turn, though, and check-calling the river. I do not see how that river is a fold without a superhuman read of some sort.

Do you usually raise AKo in the blinds? That gets expensive if done habitually, but fine if just mixing it up.

Kirk

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Do you usually raise AKo in the blinds? That gets expensive if done habitually, but fine if just mixing it up.


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I've been playing 6max for a week. I have raised AKo in the blinds every time I've had it in an unraised pot. No good?

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Flop check and the turn check, look good. On the turn, I'm check-raising to charge him for his draw and to make his worse hand pay me off.

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huh?

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Yeah, what worse hand pays off a turn raise? KxQd? Also, it'd have to be a push, right? Any smaller raise pretty much commits me unless a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hits the river.

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Flop check and the turn check, look good. On the turn, I'm check-raising to charge him for his draw and to make his worse hand pay me off.

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huh?

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Yeah, what worse hand pays off a turn raise? KxQd? Also, it'd have to be a push, right? Any smaller raise pretty much commits me unless a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hits the river.

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That's what I'm alluding to, but I can see why my line isn't so great.

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I would lead flop or turn. Fold river.

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given the concession, how likely is it that villain is betting with missed diamonds or a worse king?

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I would lead flop or turn. Fold river.

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given the concession, how likely is it that villain is betting with missed diamonds or a worse king?

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Missed diamonds, likely. Worse King, unlikely.

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Flop and turn is alright. I probably fold this turn. River is a fold.

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I guess it's working for ya. I don't like doing it since I'll be betting with air majority of the time (if I choose to cont. bet), not to mention that my hand becomes very well defined so it's really tough to get paid off by worse hands when you do hit.

Kirk

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I've been playing 6max for a week. I have raised AKo in the blinds every time I've had it in an unraised pot. No good?

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Totally standard.

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As played I would fold the river.

But I wouldn't ever play like this unless I was against a very overaggressive player. I don't really mind your flop line, but I would probably check-raise this turn card given your decision to check-call the flop.

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Do you usually raise AKo in the blinds? That gets expensive if done habitually, but fine if just mixing it up.

[/ QUOTE ]LOL good luck with poker

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Then you should stop typing "I have AKo, guys" in the chat.

How does raising preflop then continuation betting any flop define your hand?

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Do you usually raise AKo in the blinds? That gets expensive if done habitually, but fine if just mixing it up.

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You guys are being too judgmental. Raising AK off in an unraised pot every time from the blinds can be expensive in a shorthanded game against the wrong opponents. I don't see any problem with mixing it up although I probably raise 2/3 of the time.

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Do you usually raise AKo in the blinds? That gets expensive if done habitually, but fine if just mixing it up.


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I raise AK from the blinds and it shows a nice profit.

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Do you usually raise AKo in the blinds? That gets expensive if done habitually, but fine if just mixing it up.

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You guys are being too judgmental. Raising AK off in an unraised pot every time from the blinds can be expensive in a shorthanded game against the wrong opponents. I don't see any problem with mixing it up although I probably raise 2/3 of the time.

[/ QUOTE ]You know what else is expensive? Raising AA from the blinds! I [censored] hate raising the best hand preflop, I like to make sure the flop looks safish, than POUNCE!

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Do you usually raise AKo in the blinds? That gets expensive if done habitually, but fine if just mixing it up.

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You guys are being too judgmental. Raising AK off in an unraised pot every time from the blinds can be expensive in a shorthanded game against the wrong opponents. I don't see any problem with mixing it up although I probably raise 2/3 of the time.

[/ QUOTE ]You know what else is expensive? Raising AA from the blinds! I [censored] hate raising the best hand preflop, I like to make sure the flop looks safish, than POUNCE!

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I ALWAYS agreed with this in NL.

How could you rationalize not raising from the blinds with AK????



Tex

Re: Hopefully a Less Standard Hand than my last (5/10 6max)
 

Doing qutie well, thanks for caring.

Good luck with life.

Kirk

Re: Hopefully a Less Standard Hand than my last (5/10 6max)
 

AK AQ AA KK QQ JJ TT 99 (88 if Im bored). If you arnt raisng these hands from the blinds at 6 max, you arent playing aggro enuf (imo)

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Wow... I seriously can't believe that not raising AKo from the blinds is considered "bad" play on this forum. Okay, here's a scenario:

3 limpers to you, and you raise from the BB w/ AKo. MP calls, CO calls.

Flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

... now you're in a perfect position to win a small pot or lose a big one, since everyone has a fairly good idea of where you're at, but you're stuck with all the guessing games OOP.

I didn't say "NEVER RAISE AK FROM THE BLINDS!!!" or any crap like that. However, I think there's several legitimate negatives to doing it always.

Now feel free to explain to me why I suck.

Kirk

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AKo raise in blinds is Standard, LOL at you if you think it's dumb

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Becuase when you raise YOUR hands outta the blinds, any observant player knows you have AA KK vs a wider range like the one I posted above. Hell even raise crap sometimes to keep em guessing and no one will have a fairly good idea of what you have.

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well,
What's your mix for limping and raising? I think ALWAYS raising is ok, riasing 80% limping 20% is ok, but limping like 50% is WAY TOO MUCH, on A95 flop with AK, look at number of opponets, their style, etc. etc. but you can't always be afraid of flopping TPTK and being beat. Learn to fold TPTK sometimes and raising AKo in the blinds will be HUGELY + EV!!!

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AKo raise in blinds is Standard, LOL at you if you think it's dumb

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rika,

why did you reply to me? I dont think it's dumb at all.

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Ok this one you played very weird!
More info about your opponents is always good.. After all, NL is about knowing your opponents and not about your card. Against some opponents it's a insta call on the river and against some others it's a insta fold. But as you have played it You have to call the river! You have induced a bluff.. Now, you have to look him up. Don't hesitate only because you get second thought when he bets so big. Continue through with how you played your hand. Was it the best way to play it this way. NO. But now you are at the river and then you can't chicken out. Call. If he show you the nut flush.. Congrats to him. What have you learned? Bet out on the flop when you have anything. You will know where you are depending of the action you will get (or not get).

You should have played the hand like this:
Bet $125 flop. And take it from there depending on opponent. If you get any wild action on the flop or turn.. Be ready to dump the hand.

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Yeah, what worse hand pays off a turn raise? KxQd? Also, it'd have to be a push, right? Any smaller raise pretty much commits me unless a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hits the river.

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With cards still to come, if your opponent plays well sometimes getting an opponent to fold a draw is the best you can do.

In other words, even if a worse hand won't call and a better hand won't fold, betting can still be correct.

Paul