2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 

villain 25/7.. a bit on the loose side, called my preflop reraise with KJ and we checked it down on J22 flop after flop bet (i had KJo too) so I guess he know's i'm not "rock tight"

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UTG ($1054.50)
MP ($0)
Button ($1477.71)
SB ($4594.67)
Hero ($1392)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $25</font>, SB (poster) calls $20, Hero calls $15.

Flop: ($75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $55</font>, Button calls $55, SB folds.

Turn: ($185) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $80</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $160</font>, Hero calls $80.

River: ($505) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $600</font>, Hero calls $600.

Final Pot: $1705



hand 2
villian 36/12, not much frontations between us yet


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Button ($1303)
Hero ($1402)
BB ($1922.75)
UTG ($1758.25)
MP ($1044.75)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls $10, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $40</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $35.

Flop: ($100) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $80</font>, UTG calls $80.

Turn: ($260) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $180</font>, UTG calls $180.

River: ($620) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero bets 300, Villan pushes, Hero calls for 800 more

Final Pot: $2800

Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 

boooooooooooooooo

1 maybe, 2 king high? don't really like turn play either given villain is not rock tight. If you want him to fold check raise turn in hand 2? same in 1?

Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 

yea, hand 2 is donk, whats to stop him from having A-high flush draw?

Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 

If I saw you play Hand 2 the way you did, I'd buddy list you immediately

Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 

lol

Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 

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Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 

Also, what do you put villain on in hand 1? The minraise then overbet are clearly suspicious and against the right players I make this call but I'm just curious what your read is

Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 

you're not stu ungar, just fold (hand 2)

Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 

Hi AIL,

Hand 1: I really don't think you should be betting the turn, and if you do, I wouldn't bet 80. I would generally check-call when I was relatively certain I wasn't ahead and Villain seemed to concur, and I would check-raise big when there was more doubt. Betting 80 and then not pushing over the top of his raise (which I don't recommend anyway) lets him get exactly as much money in on the turn as he's comfortable with when he has a good one pair hand. The river call is situation/opponent dependent; could be good I guess.

Hand 2 is so god-awful that I suspect you won this one, and that planted some doubt in your mind as to whether this might be OK. It ain't. You don't beat a fair number of his bluffs--wouldn't you be sick to be paying off the busted nut (hehe) diamond draw? And, he doesn't really look like he's bluffing to me. I mean, you bet 180 on the turn to shut out his draws, right? And he called...basically you beat QJ [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and 87 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], and it's entirely possible those hands would've raised you on the turn.

Me no likey.

Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 

Hand 1: Looks like he has you beat. Maybe TT. If his pfraise is only 7%, there aren't many hands you are ahead of here that he would bluff crazy.

Hand 2: C'mon. You are better than that.

Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 

Thank you all for feedback, here is my thought process for both hands..

hand 1-&gt; flop bet with flush draw..possibly knocking button's overcard/ pairs below Qx w/e.. 3 handed so I think semibluff was okay.

This may sound lame, but I ment to bet more on turn, but I made a typo and didn't have time to fix it because 3 other tables were beeping lol.

On river, the bet really didn't make sense to me...I thought he is more likely to make a valuebet with a hand strong as he's representing, and likely to have raised me on flop, turn bigger too. so being a suspicious calling station I am, I called, and was shown 57h and MHIG.

Hand 2)
Basically, I reasoned that both flush/straight draws missed, and thought it is unlikely 2 pair, set or straight would not just flat call on flop/turn, and then by the river, I thought he really wouldn't wait to board pairing to shove 2 pair or straight, so I concluded he either had REALLY slowplayed set (quite unlikely) or missed draw.

Being a Stu-unger I am, I make the call and get shown A2d and I cry. However, I think calling here with maybe AJ or better still may be a good play for reasons I stated...looks like I donked it majorly because of chance of him value-bluff raising me with missed Ax, which was exactly the case.

Overall, I'm happy I'm developing the courage to run all the way home with the reads, but I also feel that my reads are sometimes rather irrational time to time because of this Stu unger attitude of making heroic calls. I'm clearly in need of much more dicipline in terms of not just putting other guy on a bluff, and also having a hand that could beat these bluffs.

once again, thank you all for feedback.

Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 

You are gutsy if nothing else. You made the right read in both hands, however with hand 1 you did beat his bluff, and with hand 2 two you did not.

Unfortunately, and obviously you know this, but when someone moves all-in, you can't immediately call just because you know he is bluffing. You need to beat that bluff. And if they are bluffing with the best hand (a low pair, or ace high in this case), you better watch out.

The last time I played a home tourney with my dad, everyone limped and I pushed from the BB with AKo. He called fairly quickly with KQ because, he "thought I was bluffing".

You may be correct once in a while with a move like that, but in the end it's probably a losing call since I could be "bluffing" with a better hand (like A2 or any small pair), or...the read could be totally off and I have you crushed.

Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 

On the first hand, his turn play is so wierd that I would not know what to do with it, but in my experience the turn minraise followed by big river bet is the goods more often than not.

On the second one you could be right and still lose- maybe you are not actually the hero?

So basically I don't like either hand.

Re: 2 Big calls...donkey or pro?
 

hand 1 is awful.
hand 2 i dont love, but i dont mind it... its better if u win, but even if u lose, calls like this are extremely good 4 your image.