2/5NL live - QQ reraised preflop
 

i'm in MP with around $550 and the relevant players have me covered. a couple limpers and i raise to $35, wild action guy next to me calls, quiet guy reraises to $135, all fold back to me.

i haven't seen much from quiet guy, but i have seen him voluntarily play some offsuit connectors and suited garbage, so he's not really all that tight.

i call the $100, wild action guy calls

flop (~$415) - 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

i check, wild action guy checks, quiet guy bets $200, i check-raise push for $415 total

i felt like i was ahead...quiet guy's play didn't feel like AA/KK to me. wild action guy could have anything though.

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Well, it's definitely push or fold becuase you will be all-in on the turn. You read is you are ahead of quiet guy so push seems fine. Hopefully WAG throws some dead money in.

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Not sure what kind of advice you're expecting here, but if a quiet guy reraises me preflop and then bets on a ragged flop, i would probably expect to see an overpair here enough to not risk my whole stack.

However, it is your read that matters, not mine, so push or fold

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I going to have to agree with everyone else that it is a push or fold situation and if feel your read was right you should go with it. You've said that quite guy has been playing crap, but has he been agressive with air? I think this is much more important than him playing trash because just looking at the action I think you're behind.

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Not sure what kind of advice you're expecting here, but if a quiet guy reraises me preflop and then bets on a ragged flop, i would probably expect to see an overpair here enough to not risk my whole stack.

However, it is your read that matters, not mine, so push or fold

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so would you check/fold the flop?

something else...these guys all just came from a tournament that was going on. those tournament guys have different standards and i don't think they adjust to the cash games well.

i need an alternate line. folding preflop to the reraise sucks. open pushing the flop sucks, any other bet and i'm puking if he pushes...i think check/folding is incredibly weak when his hand range is a wider than just AA or KK. if he has AK and WAG has nothing, then i take a good sized pot. if he has QQ we chop. if he has TT or JJ i think he calls (he IS a tournament guy).

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i need an alternate line. folding preflop to the reraise sucks. open pushing the flop sucks, any other bet and i'm puking if he pushes...i think check/folding is incredibly weak

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Your only other options are all-in pre-flop or the way you played it. I can't see how calling the flop makes any sense here unless you think a push scares WAG where a call will commit him to the pot.

I really like your line here. The check-raise all-in on the flop is powerful and since your stack is going in anyway if you want to proceed then I think it is your best option.

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Like I said, on the flop, I'd push or fold..its completely dependent on my reads. But check/fold is definitely an option for me.

I've done it with KK in this identical spot, so I'm sure I could do it with QQ. I know it seems weak, but you're probably WA/WB here, and I hate those situations, and I'd be willing to give up some money to save my stack.

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Why do you need an alternate line? Your line is fine as is given your descriptions of the players. If he actually had AA/KK this time, oh well, but this line lets you make money from all his worse hands that would've folded had you led out. The only real danger is if he doesn't continuation bet AK.

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Like I said, on the flop, I'd push or fold..

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are you saying open push the flop? or check-push, like i did?

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Why do you need an alternate line? Your line is fine as is given your descriptions of the players. If he actually had AA/KK this time, oh well, but this line lets you make money from all his worse hands that would've folded had you led out. The only real danger is if he doesn't continuation bet AK.

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well, i think my line is fine too [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] what i meant was that if people are saying that my line is read dependant and risky, then they should propose alternates.

Re: 2/5NL live - QQ reraised preflop
 

Actually, one alternate line would be to fold preflop. Quiet guys who limp in with trash aren't usually reraising too wide a range. However, lots of 2/5 live games are filled with idiots so QQ is well ahead of their reraising range. In any case, assuming you felt calling the reraise preflop was not a bad play, this is pretty much the best flop without a queen in it on which to get the rest of the money in.

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I like your line the best.
Alternative lines are going to depend on what you most want to accomplish. You said you felt you were ahead, but did you feel like you wanted to take the pot down right away fearing overcards hitting, or do you want to try and trap both guys for their stacks?

I'd be a little uncomfortable OOP with an overpair and quite guy being the preflop re-raiser. I'd be happy taking it down there. Your line is probably best for that.

Alternative may be to open push if you'd do the same thing with a set, and you think it would push quite guy off his hand if he had AA/KK.

If you want to gambool/try to trap(I wouldn't here, hand is too vunerable),just how wild is wild guy? Do you think he is capable of pushing as a bluff? If you think he may push as a bluff, I'd lead out for about 200, hope he pushes and go from there. Best scenario would likely be you bet, wild guy pushes, quite guy folds, and you obviously call. If quite guy calls the push, I'd fold. If wild guy smooth calls and quite guy pushes, likely fold. If both smooth call the 200, your getting a better price to spike your set.

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I prob dump PF, but youdont want to hear that. As it is, nicely played on flop.

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Open push on flop blows. I like c/r all in on an ace/kingless flop and or push/fold preflop. You are getting odds to set out, and if you think you are best preflop, I like your line the best since you get WAG's dead money in on the flop.

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right, so...here come the results because i'm bored.

WAG went hollywood for a few minutes and folded (he said later that he had AK).

quiet guy looks like he wants to puke. he calls time and eventually decides to call me with JJ. turn and river blank and i take a very nice pot.

Re: 2/5NL live - QQ reraised preflop
 

Nice post. Demonstrates the differences between live and on line play and shows the importance of reads in the decision-making process.