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krishanleong 12-01-2005 10:18 AM

Hand... (flush draw)
 
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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP calls, CO folds, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP calls, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks intending to check raise.

Flop raiser is 45/14/1.2/40 over 1232. Calling stations is 61/9/.9/47 over 1582. Thanks,

Krishan

Wynton 12-01-2005 10:35 AM

Re: Hand... (flush draw)
 
With 3 players to act after you on the flop, this looks like a pretty good time for a c/r.

Rest looks good to me.

krishanleong 12-01-2005 10:37 AM

Re: Hand... (flush draw)
 
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With 3 players to act after you on the flop, this looks like a pretty good time for a c/r.

Rest looks good to me.

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I don't like to cr when I don't know where the bet will come from. It's a paired flop, there aren't a ton of betting hands anyway.

Krishan

Wynton 12-01-2005 10:41 AM

Re: Hand... (flush draw)
 
I was figuring that this flop is very tempting for someone to bluff at.

tolbiny 12-01-2005 11:23 AM

Re: Hand... (flush draw)
 
But the people with the best opportunity to bluff are in late position. You also pick up the pot sometimes on boards like this with a bet.

Spicymoose 12-01-2005 11:33 AM

Re: Hand... (flush draw)
 
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I was figuring that this flop is very tempting for someone to bluff at.

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I agree that trying to check raise is bad. The bet might come from the button, in which case you are forcing the rest of the field to fold. Also, although they might stab at it, with 5 players, people are hestitant to stab, and this could get checked through, which would also be bad.

Spicymoose 12-01-2005 11:36 AM

Re: Hand... (flush draw)
 
I bet the river. Although a check raise would be awesome if you could do it, once the board double pairs, I think this guy might get a bit scared, and just check. He isn't hyper-agro, so he may resist, especially with 2 other players in the hand.

What was your plan for if the flush hit? What about if a blank hit? What if an ace hit?

I would check probably bet the flush, and probably check call any other river if as long as I wasn't overcalling.

krishanleong 12-01-2005 11:38 AM

Re: Hand... (flush draw)
 
Anyone want to comment on the river cr?

Krishan

Spicymoose 12-01-2005 11:43 AM

Re: Hand... (flush draw)
 
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Anyone want to comment on the river cr?

Krishan

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Look one post up.

12-01-2005 12:05 PM

Re: Hand... (flush draw)
 
I am not saying CR isnt good but who bets here without a boat? Who calls without a boat? Its a thin value bet with AK-KJ imo and I might not do it. Im betting and hoping for a call since a raise would suck. If we CR and get 3-bet, now what?

wowacedude 12-01-2005 12:08 PM

Re: Hand... (flush draw)
 
I bet this river 100% with AK or KJ if i where the villian. What makes you belive someone has a five?

-Per

Spicymoose 12-01-2005 12:18 PM

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Who calls without a boat?

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The calling station with his king.

Spicymoose 12-01-2005 12:19 PM

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I bet this river 100% with AK or KJ if i where the villian.

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Would you also limp preflop?

wowacedude 12-01-2005 02:59 PM

Re: Hand... (flush draw)
 
No, i wouldn't and i think you know it.
But i just said that i would value bet it 100% here because keepitsimple said he might not do it.
-Per

Lost Wages 12-01-2005 06:22 PM

Re: Hand... (flush draw)
 
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The bet might come from the button, in which case you are forcing the rest of the field to fold.

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In that case, you just call.

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and this could get checked through, which would also be bad

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That would be great. After all, you have Ten high out of position against 4 opponents. Make a play for the pot with your draws when it's shorthanded. There is nothing wrong with checking and calling here or checking and raising an early bettor if you can do so for value.

Lost Wages


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