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marsvolta619 11-30-2005 05:39 PM

Ugh @ 5/10
 
Villain has been a bit inconsistent. Definitely loose, but mixes his aggression. The button has been a typical abc player who uses position well.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, CO folds, Button folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (11.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.70 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (11.70 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.70 BB

POKhER 11-30-2005 05:49 PM

Re: Ugh @ 5/10
 
Limp-Cap, Wow thats a new one. They do that stuff at 5/10? Interesting.


Looks good to me, Limp-Cap = AA? Hehe.

Well played.
bet someone says bet turn(Flush draws) [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

MrWookie47 11-30-2005 05:51 PM

Re: Ugh @ 5/10
 
I hope not. If he's capping that flop with a flush draw for a free card, he's already paid more than it'd cost to just call one more on the turn.

tallstack 11-30-2005 05:57 PM

Re: Ugh @ 5/10
 
I would put in more bets on the turn. You could not have asked for a safer card. The limp-cap could be AA, but at 5/10 I am normally shown a large range of crap as well. I would either donk the turn or check-raise. I like donking better against most opponents beacuse you take away the 3-bet when behind. If he was very aggressive then I would check-raise and call down a 3-bet.

Dave

jba 11-30-2005 05:59 PM

Re: Ugh @ 5/10
 
bet the turn.

I think your hand is worth 2-3 bbs on the big street, not 1-2.

kidcolin 11-30-2005 06:00 PM

Re: Ugh @ 5/10
 
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bet someone says bet turn

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Yup. I've seen far more crap limp reraises than legit ones. I want to lead the turn and call down if raised.

When it's more than a normal limp-reraise (the limp cap especially), I think a lot of opponents figure "well, 77, JT, A4s, etc sucks now, maybe I can scare the crap out of them!"

jba 11-30-2005 06:06 PM

Re: Ugh @ 5/10
 
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bet someone says bet turn

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Yup. I've seen far more crap limp reraises than legit ones. I want to lead the turn and call down if raised.

When it's more than a normal limp-reraise (the limp cap especially), I think a lot of opponents figure "well, 77, JT, A4s, etc sucks now, maybe I can scare the crap out of them!"

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if you think about villain having like 77-TT, the fact that he got too people to fold preflop is pretty compelling.


and I have seen a ton of PP do this.

and they'll also go nuts on this flop.

11-30-2005 08:29 PM

Re: Ugh @ 5/10
 
Edit: I grunched.

You know, in NL a limp-reraise usually means AA, but I've found in limit some nutjobs like to do it with suited connectors, once the field has gotten big. I wouldn't be surprised to see two spades here, and I would definitely call down. I would just call the flop raise, though. He did cap preflop and is now raising you. That's not insignificant.

11-30-2005 08:31 PM

Re: Ugh @ 5/10
 
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I hope not. If he's capping that flop with a flush draw for a free card, he's already paid more than it'd cost to just call one more on the turn.

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This is one argument that makes two spades less likely, which means a turn bet has less value.

POKhER 11-30-2005 08:40 PM

Re: Ugh @ 5/10
 
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I hope not. If he's capping that flop with a flush draw for a free card, he's already paid more than it'd cost to just call one more on the turn.

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hemstock 11-30-2005 09:47 PM

Re: Ugh @ 5/10
 
I bet the turn before I start calling down.

12-01-2005 01:38 AM

Re: Ugh @ 5/10
 
Just had a flush draw do this to me tonight. I stupidly checked the turn then the river with a weak hand (I was OOP). I didn't let him do it again, though.

Lurker4 12-01-2005 02:23 AM

Re: Ugh @ 5/10
 
I like how you played it, although I probably c/r turn and calldown if 3-bet. I think for the turn play I like check/raise, check/call, bet/call in order of preference; I don't like betting turn mainly b/c if this Villain is aggro enough to limp-cap a suited hand (non premium PP) PF and cap the flop w/the flush draw he will frequently be betting the turn when you check IMO. I like checkraising turn mainly b/c he will bet/call almost all of the hands he capped flop with if you check, but if you bet the range that he raises with is more heavily weighted towards the hands you are behind, due to flop/PF action, ie he may just calldown JJ here after this much action.

MATT111 12-01-2005 06:45 AM

Re: Ugh @ 5/10
 
I`d lead the turn, call down if raised.


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