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Alright, so taking Jeff's advice about the stud games on euro being super soft I took a shot at the 6-12 game. Let me know what you guys think. No reads on anyone as this is only about my tenth hand or so

50cent ante $3 BI 6-12 Limit

Third Street

Seat1 XX 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Folds
Seat2 XX K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Completes___Calls
Seat3 XX Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Folds
Seat4 XX 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Calls___Calls
Hero K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Raises
Seat6 XX A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Folds
Seat7 XX 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Brings In Folds

Fourth Street

Seat2 XX K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Raises
Seat4 XX 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Calls
Hero K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Bets___Calls

Fifth Street

Seat2 XX K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Raises
Seat4 XX 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Calls
Hero K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Bets___Calls

Sixth Street

Seat2 XX K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Bets
Seat4 XX 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Calls
Hero K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Calls

Seventh

Seat2 XX K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] X Bets
Seat4 XX 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] X Calls
Hero K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Folds

Re: 6-12 Stud Hi

Looks just fine to me.

Re: 6-12 Stud Hi

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3-bet 4th.

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That was my main question about this hand. After the other seat called two cold though I def put him on a flush draw and wasn't sure if it was correct to pump the pot on fourth or not. THoughts?

Re: 6-12 Stud Hi

I like the smooth call 4th, donk bet fifth line much better than reraising 4th, even though the hearts are so dead that I am not scared of Seat 4 at all.

As for Seat 2's aggressive play, I've seen this before in that 6/12 game from people overplaying their hand. I think you have every reason to believe aces up will win the hand. The only thing I'd be afraid of is him having the case two aces.

Re: 6-12 Stud Hi

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3-bet 4th.

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That was my main question about this hand. After the other seat called two cold though I def put him on a flush draw and wasn't sure if it was correct to pump the pot on fourth or not. THoughts?

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I would have to run some sims but he can’t have that much equity with only five hearts left.
I’d be inclined to think he’s in there with some crappy pair though. Since seat 2 is possibly aggro enough to raise 5th without two pairs you’d like to give him a chance to do it; if you 3-bet 4th he might not.

Re: 6-12 Stud Hi

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3-bet 4th.

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That was my main question about this hand. After the other seat called two cold though I def put him on a flush draw and wasn't sure if it was correct to pump the pot on fourth or not. THoughts?

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I would have to run some sims but he can’t have that much equity with only five hearts left.
I’d be inclined to think he’s in there with some crappy pair though. Since seat 2 is possibly aggro enough to raise 5th without two pairs you’d like to give him a chance to do it; if you 3-bet 4th he might not.

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That probably is true with all of his hearts being dead, what about with all of them being completely live?

Re: 6-12 Stud Hi

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Alright, so taking Jeff's advice about the stud games on euro being super soft I took a shot at the 6-12 game. Let me know what you guys think. No reads on anyone as this is only about my tenth hand or so

50cent ante $3 BI 6-12 Limit

Third Street

Seat1 XX 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Folds
Seat2 XX K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Completes___Calls
Seat3 XX Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Folds
Seat4 XX 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Calls___Calls
Hero K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Raises
Seat6 XX A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Folds
Seat7 XX 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Brings In Folds

Fourth Street

Seat2 XX K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Raises
Seat4 XX 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Calls
Hero K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Bets___Calls

Fifth Street

Seat2 XX K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Raises
Seat4 XX 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Calls
Hero K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Bets___Calls

Sixth Street

Seat2 XX K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Bets
Seat4 XX 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Calls
Hero K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Calls

Seventh

Seat2 XX K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] X Bets
Seat4 XX 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] X Calls
Hero K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Folds

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3rd - raise
4th - bet-call, and unless you've seen him raise draws in previous hands, put him on trips or 2 pair
5th - check-call assuming you're behind (or bet-fold assuming he's raising with trip 10s)
6th - call
7th - fold (fold aces up here also - the middle guy's either got trips or a flush)

Edit: I missed the part about this being a really soft game. If this is the observation, then I guess I'd probably:
3rd - raise
4th - bet-call
5th - check-call
6th - call
7th - fold (but call with Aces up)

Re: 6-12 Stud Hi

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3-bet 4th.

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And what, pray tell, would that accomplish exactly?

Re: 6-12 Stud Hi

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3-bet 4th.

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And what, pray tell, would that accomplish exactly?

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Please never use that phrase again. Ever. Thank you.

Re: 6-12 Stud Hi

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3-bet 4th.

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And what, pray tell, would that accomplish exactly?

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Please never use that phrase again. Ever. Thank you.

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ummm....blow me. How's that phrase for ya?

Re: 6-12 Stud Hi

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3-bet 4th.

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And what, pray tell, would that accomplish exactly?

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Raise for value? Dont you think you have enough equity for that pray tell?

Re: 6-12 Stud Hi

I agree...I don't see myself reraising 4th here but I do see donking 5th a large percentage of the time.

Jeff

Re: 6-12 Stud Hi

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The only thing I'd be afraid of is him having the case two aces.

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Dead 3rd ace.

Re: 6-12 Stud Hi

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Three bet fourth

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yeah... esp if he's raising a straight draw, and you hold two of his outs...

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7th - fold (fold aces up here also - the middle guy's either got trips or a flush)

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Probably should've folded earlier if an overcall makes you fold aces up, since you're almost dead against trips.

Re: 6-12 Stud Hi

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3-bet 4th.

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And what, pray tell, would that accomplish exactly?

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Please never use that phrase again. Ever. Thank you.

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ummm....blow me. How's that phrase for ya?

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I think you should be more polite when requesting falatio.

Try :: "Excuse me sir could I trouble you for some oral pleasure"

My grandmother use to say "You lure more flies with honey than with vinegar." Grandma was right too.

Re: 6-12 Stud Hi

Did grandma also suck at spelling?

Jeff

Re: 6-12 Stud Hi

You're pretty well boned on 6th. Actually, you're pretty well boned on 5th, too, unless he's an utter donk. I don't see any reasonable hands you can beat or even expect to outdraw on fifth. JJ or JQ maybe, I wouldn't quite call those reasonable, though. I'd fold sixth, possibly fifth. It's hard to say, because if he is dicking around, we're well ahead on fifth, if he's not, we're almost dead.
Edit: Thought all kings were dead on fifth, guess he could have king in the hole. That's no more reasonable than JJ, though, considering your betting.