Who is safest candidate for preserving online poker?
 

I'm a republican, voted for Bush (don't like him that much, but really, J. Kerry/Al Gore???). Have been reassessing who I might vote for in 2008. With respect to my individual freedom to continue making piles of money playing online poker, which party is safest? I am concerned about John McCain because he has said that he wants to outlaw it, but at the same time the liberals on 60 minutes last week acted too squemish.

Where do I turn? Ralph Nader?

Indy

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I think there all pretty safe. Think about it. There isn't a huge public outcry against internet gambling. Further, Vegas is beginning to lobby for the right to offer internet gambling(in the past they were against it). Its not hard to read the tea leaves here.

Stu

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But if Las Vegas gets into online gaming won't it get regulated? That aint good right? Oh, by the way, in appreciation to the responses here is some nice and good old american gun porn:
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8081/img04406xt.jpg

Indy

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NADER!?!?!?!??

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Lol, you are funny, I think you have little to worry about at the moment.

Mack

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I think I think elect-ability has to be a concern here (hence why I wouldn't turn to Nader).

I frankly don't trust either party on this issue. Certainly, Sen. Kyl is certainly Enemy #1 in regards to online gaming; every other federal politician is under suspicion as being possibly opposed if politically convenient, and Rep. John Conyers gets my vote as the most (and only) internet gaming-friendly member of Congress (at least to my knowledge, he's the only member of Congress who's ever proposed legislation to legalize & regulate internet gaming).

Since neither Kyl nor Conyers will be running for President, I don't know of anyone in either party rumored to be running whom I have any kind of faith or trust in protecting the interests of online poker players.

But as others have said, I'm not particularly concerned about it, either.

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Any candidate from th Libertarian Party

Where do I turn? Ralph Nader?

Surely you jest. The main reason politicians oppose gambling is to protect us from ourselves. What logic would suggest that Mr. Protect the Consumer would not be just as eager to make *all* gambling illegal?

The best way to prevent the various and sundry US Governments (State and Federal) from overtly interfering with online poker is to convince the sites themselves to invest money in very good lobbyists.

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Why would someone who claims to be a Republican even think of supporting a candidate whose presidential platform included the concept of taxing all personal income over $100,000 at 100%????

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...convince the sites themselves to invest money in very good lobbyists.

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Gosh, what an idea! Quick, somebody alert the online sites! How could they not possibly have thought of that? Jeeze, what a bunch of dumbazzes!

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Of course the Nader thing was a joke, but apparently not a good one as many thought I was serious. I think we have to be careful as republicans with people like McCain, Swartzenegger, Colin Powell, et al...lest our party become too liberal. McCain is a nice guy but he's scaring me with his anti-gaming attitude. The real question is whether online gaming should be regulated and if that is really good for us poker masters. Im in big pharma, and having the FDA breathing down your neck every day is counterproductive. Should we wish the same for poker companies? Oh, by the way, here's some ammo porn for your efforts:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...tmank/ammo.jpg

Indy

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Where do I turn? Ralph Nader?



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Ralph Nader has publicly denounced ALL forms of gambling on many occasions. Here is one of his quotes from the Nevada Appeal:

"No presidential candidate should visit Las Vegas without condeming organized gambling.It's the seduction of people who come here as hopefuls and leave here as losers."

Also in the Nevadaappeal.com Ralph Nader said - now get ready for this - that Las Vegas should diversify it's economy and eventually do away with gambling and instead take advantage of the sunny Nevada climate to devolop solar energy and use that to drive their economy.

Ralph Nader? He would even get rid of all B&M casinos if he was in power.

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I think it was more like >50% for >50k, and lots of social programs and few taxes for the poor. The inevitable result, of course, will be tons of people making 49k, and economic collapse.

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I think you would do better to look towards the Dems since they're not as into legislating moralityy as the Republicans, and if there ever was to be an outcry against online gaming, it'd come from the religious right.

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I think you would do better to look towards the Dems since they're not as into legislating morality

ROFLMAO. What do you think things like welfare, graduated income taxes, social security, are based on? The whole welfare state thing is based on the concept that its immoral to not sacrifice to those who don't have as much. Both side want to legislate morality, they just have different definitions.

Plus, a whole lot of Democrats vote against gambling, which proviked Barney Frank to chastise his fellow Dems saying (paraphrase) "Gambling to liberals is like pornography to conservatives."

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What do you think things like welfare, graduated income taxes, social security, are based on?

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Based on the belief that it's the government's responsibility to wath after the welfare of its people. I don't see how that even comes close to legislating morality.

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Based on the belief that it's the government's responsibility to wath after the welfare of its people.

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Why does the gov't (the people) have this responsibility?

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What do you think things like welfare, graduated income taxes, social security, are based on?

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Based on the belief that it's the government's responsibility to wath after the welfare of its people. I don't see how that even comes close to legislating morality.

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Why should the government do these things? Because it is moral?

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What do you think things like welfare, graduated income taxes, social security, are based on?

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Based on the belief that it's the government's responsibility to wath after the welfare of its people. I don't see how that even comes close to legislating morality.

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What is the source of that belief?

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Everyone except anarchists believe in legislating morality. Criminalizing murder is an example of moral legislation that everyone believes in.

The kind of moral legislation that people object to is the legislation of PRIVATE morality such as: who I have sex with, what I watch on TV, what drugs I take, whether I gamble, how my money is spent, etc. Both democrats and republicans are equally guilty fo legislating private morality, but Republicans do it more with respect to sex and drugs and Democrats do it more with respect to how people use their money.

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Well put

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Vote Labour.

* Legal Internet Gambling
* No income taxation on winnings
* New, more liberal, Casino regulations
* No tax on sports bet stakes
* Free healthcare for all- including pro gamblers, who pay no tax on earnings.

Good deal, hey?

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Vote Labour.

* Legal Internet Gambling
* No income taxation on winnings
* New, more liberal, Casino regulations
* No tax on sports bet stakes



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The resident right-wing, no government, no tax crowd here at 2+2 is clearly approaching orgasm after hearing all this (although just seeing the word liberal did make them go limp, just a little bit).

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* Free healthcare for all


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Oops. There goes the fantasy. Looks like they'll have to return to taking pictures of and/or oogling their gun and ammunition collection to get off now. Thanks for nothin'.

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What do you think things like welfare, graduated income taxes, social security, are based on?

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Based on the belief that it's the government's responsibility to wath after the welfare of its people. I don't see how that even comes close to legislating morality.

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What is the source of that belief?

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That would be the United States Constitution.

Anyway, you're right that it often comes down to different definitions of morality no matter which party is involved, but clearly the party whose definition involves banning every personal vice they can think of in the name of some religious ideal would be the worse option.

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That's it, I'm moving to the United Kingdom. Long live the queen. Just one question, though, when Charles becomes king and they put his portrait on the money, are they going to enlarge the bills to make room for his ears?

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Because when the people are poor, broke and hungry they have a tendency to overthrow the government.

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So the government's interest in providing "general welfare" is purely out of survival? Try cutting some of those programs and see what you're called by many left-wingers...

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No, you're right, America should set an example for the rest of the world and provide no safety net for the downtrodden.

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I give you the 2008 candidate of the Pokertarian Party and the NEXT PRESIDENT OF THESE UNITED STATES!



http://www.notedpokerauthority.com/i...yrightAltF.jpg

Edit: Oh dang, the dude isn't even old enough to meet the constitutional requirement is he? Rats!

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No, you're right, America should set an example for the rest of the world and provide no safety net for the downtrodden.

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You're misunderstanding the context of my post. Someone (poboy?) tried to claim that the government isn't legislating morality when they provide such programs. I think that's false and you can see that when such programs are hinted at being cut. Even you're doing it.

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That would be the United States Constitution.

The preamble to the Constitution contains the phrase "...promote the general welfare..."

Promote, not provide. I contend that programs like welfare are counter-productive towards promoting the general welfare. I also contend that a large federal government fueled by a large tax burden is also an impediment to that aim.

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I'm a republican, voted for Bush (don't like him that much, but really, J. Kerry/Al Gore???). Have been reassessing who I might vote for in 2008. With respect to my individual freedom to continue making piles of money playing online poker, which party is safest? I am concerned about John McCain because he has said that he wants to outlaw it, but at the same time the liberals on 60 minutes last week acted too squemish.

Where do I turn? Ralph Nader?

Indy

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Alfred E. Nuemman comes to mind??!! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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It's rumored that Russ Feingold from WI (a liberal Democract) loves to play poker online. Not kidding.

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It's rumored that Russ Feingold from WI (a liberal Democract) loves to play poker online. Not kidding.

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I can just see the campaign ads now:

"Senator Feingold is an avid poker player -- and he's playing poker with our children's future by refusing to privatize Social Security" etc., etc.

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No, you're right, America should set an example for the rest of the world and provide no safety net for the downtrodden.

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There's a difference between a safety net and a hammock.

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At this point, it is too early to tell who will run for office. But in general, one ought to choose someone from the more libertarian wing of the Republican party. I would find a libertarian score ranking of candidates and use it as one of the tools to make a decision.

Republican Liberty Caucus has a score ranking of Republicans. Take a look: http://www.republicanliberty.org/libdex/li2004_over.htm
Keep in mind that some scores may be misleading. For example, Sam Brownback may be too socially conservative. As far as McCain goes, he has long time connections with Vegas interests, so he is clearly not our choice.

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Three words: President Lee Jones