Flopped quads--raise the turn or river?
 

I was LP with 9s9h and called a PFR from the BB. Flop came 5c-9c-9h. BB bet, EP called, I called. Turn came 5d. BB bet, EP called...should I raise here or wait 'til the river?

Re: Flopped quads--raise the turn or river?
 

Depends on the other players. If I think someone loves their hand and won't fold I raise on the turn and hope they go with me. If I don't think they will call I wait till the river to raise and hope someone catches something or gets cute.

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i would have raised the flop and hope they think i'm bluffing or have a flush draw. a 3rd [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] comes and all action is killed.

call the turn now. any raise and you're probably screwed. hope they bet again on the river or someone gets their flush.

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i would have not forfeited the equity on the flop. I would have also posted a more marginal hand.

Re: Flopped quads--raise the turn or river?
 

Raise while EP is in and still chasing something. BB will almost always call your raise whether you raise now or later. EP will probably call now but might give up and fold the river to BB's bet. Raise the turn.

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Raise frickin' everywhere, dude. (Including preflop, btw). Just because you have an amazingly strong hand doesn't mean you need to autoslowplay. You've got great relative position to get as many bets in as possible.

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I was LP with 9s9h and called a PFR from the BB.

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You initially called with this hand?!? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Re: Flopped quads--raise the turn or river?
 

yes, both, hell raise the flop, and even pf

Re: Flopped quads--raise the turn or river?
 

Preflop, flop, turn, river. You only need the raise button for this hand.

Re: Flopped quads--raise the turn or river?
 

Other then preflop, which in this case is a raise too this hand is raise or fold the whole way.

And Folding kills infants.

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this hand is raise or fold the whole way.

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this hand is raise or fold the whole way.

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And Folding kills infants.

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I was being overly dramaticall ok

Re: Flopped quads--raise the turn or river?
 

I would raise the turn.

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this hand is raise or fold the whole way.

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nah dude you have to fear bottom-quints, 5 fives is an unbeatable monster, it is best to just fold face up proudly

Re: Flopped quads--raise the turn or river?
 

Grunch:

Raise PF.

Raise the turn.

A PF raiser in the BB usually has a strong hand and will call your raise. The EP player could be holding 2 clubs and will also call your raise. Get them now while they think they may have outs to win.

Here\'s what happened in the actual hand...
 

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I was LP with 9s9h and called a PFR from the BB. Flop came 5c-9c-9h. BB bet, EP called, I called. Turn came 5d. BB bet, EP called...should I raise here or wait 'til the river?

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So, I raised the turn, BB folded, EP called. On the river EP check-folded. So I only got one more BB out of the hand by raising the turn. Obviously with the turn raise the BB put me on at least a 5 or 9, and as it turns out EP was chasing the nut club flush with Ac-xc. If I had called the turn I suspect the BB would have bet out the river again, EP would have folded, and now I raise and I think the BB is much more inclined to call than at the turn.

Sorry, I know this is not a marginal hand but given the way the hand actually played out I was curious to ask about it.

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I was LP with 9s9h and called a PFR from the BB. Flop came 5c-9c-9h. BB bet, EP called, I called. Turn came 5d. BB bet, EP called...should I raise here or wait 'til the river?

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So, I raised the turn, BB folded, EP called. On the river EP check-folded. So I only got one more BB out of the hand by raising the turn. Obviously with the turn raise the BB put me on at least a 5 or 9, and as it turns out EP was chasing the nut club flush with Ac-xc. If I had called the turn I suspect the BB would have bet out the river again, EP would have folded, and now I raise and I think the BB is much more inclined to call than at the turn.

Sorry, I know this is not a marginal hand but given the way the hand actually played out I was curious to ask about it.

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what about the times BB c/f the river

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I'm glad to see multiple quad threads on the front page. Playing quads is definitely a major leak of mine and an area where I could use some work. I make money hand over fist when I whiff with overcards or flop middle pair against a PFR, but man am I bleeding chips with quads.

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I'm glad to see multiple quad threads on the front page. Playing quads is definitely a major leak of mine and an area where I could use some work. I make money hand over fist when I whiff with overcards or flop middle pair against a PFR, but man am I bleeding chips with quads.

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Re: Flopped quads--raise the turn or river?
 

I like to raise the flop with my quads to represent trips or an overpair...get some flop equity into the hand and hope the board doesn't pair again to make your "trips" into a full house. Keep on raising and hope one or both players bite back. If you have someone on a draw that makes it, you'll get a lot of action.

ScottieK

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Assuming the one EP player is the only limper, I raise preflop to knock out as many players as possible since there aren't a lot of callers to give you the odds you need to hit trips (or quads) equity and want to drive players out to increase your chances of having top-pair. It plays differently from there.

With the quads, I'd slowplay the flop, then raise the turn. It's dependent on your read of how much you think a raise will increase the odds they'll fold instead of call on the next street.