Any rule on mucking 1 card only?
 

This is just a question that poppped into my head and I know everyone's gut re-action will be "the hand is dead" but I was wondering if anyone knew OFFICIALLY (I know house rules vary on some things) but as officially as possibly

Is it legal to muck 1 of your hole cards and still play with the other?

Example: Let's say you try to steal the blinds with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and the BB ends up calling.

Board is K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

BB bets into you on the river, your ace alone gives you the nuts... would it be legal to say "I call" place your chips out to call flip over the ace and then muck the other card.

You've made your intention clear (that you are calling) and you clearly have the winning hand (or at least worthy of a chop) so what's the official rule?

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You can't. Every casino I know of requires that you show both to claim any part of the pot. There may be multiple reasons for this but one is:

If you had a fouled hand like A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] that would invalidate the hand you could get away with it by mucking one.

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Sir, if you are spending time thinking about stuff like this you have too much free time on your hands.

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What kind of stupid-ass move would this be? Show your damn cards and get on with the next hand! Everybody plays a junky hand and still wins now and then; anybody who'll think less of you for it will probably find some other reason, like your trying to muck half your hand. Be a proud member of the Any-Ace Brigade, show your cards and stack your ill-gotten chips. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

And I'm pretty sure someone has quoted Robert's Rules here in the past as saying that you have to have two cards to have a hand. One card on the floor, one card in the muck, one card in your drink, whatever, you don't have a hand and have no claim to the pot.

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I am a firm believer in letting the best hand win, but in this case i would rule your hand dead. If you are careless and lose a card because you were just showing the one that played and the dealer took your other card I would rule that a live hand in the interest of fairness. In the case you described it appears you want to make a claim for the pot and keep what you were trying to steal with a secret.

A good rule of thumb is an honest mistake is not going to cost someone a pot when it can be determined they had a winning hand. When someone shoots an angle and ends up with a fouled hand they are going to have the hand ruled dead to discourage angle shooting.

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Rule at my casino is you must turn over both cards in a showdown to claim the pot.

ScottieK

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Rule at my casino is you must turn over both cards in a showdown to claim the pot.

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Without reading any of the other replies, you must show both cards to win a pot if there is a showdown.

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Next time you think up some "how cool can I be" move, remember this.
At the minimum, it will cause a big fuss, stop the game for 10 minutes, and result in everybody being P.O.ed. Maybe that is what you want.
Most rules and floormen don't like "I'm cool" moves. So the ruling will/should go against you.
If you post your idea here, wear asbestos.

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My other idea involved at showdown, taking a Polaroid shot of your cards, then mucking them, then waiting for the Polaroid to develop and show that down...

THINK OF THE DRAMA!

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Example: Let's say you try to steal the blinds with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and the BB ends up calling.

Board is K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

BB bets into you on the river, your ace alone gives you the nuts... would it be legal to say "I call" place your chips out to call flip over the ace and then muck the other card.



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Perhaps instead of coming up with bizarre angles to shoot, you may want to examine your game and figure out why you are smooth calling a bet on the river with the nuts.

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It's really quite simple. If you get to the showdown and believe you have the best hand, table it immediately.

To do otherwise makes you an unmitigated tool unworthy of any pot.

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You MUST show both cards to win the pot in every card room I've played at in A.C.

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Obviously the OP is implying that we're talking about hold'em, but FWIW, I believe general poker rules require showing a full hand for the game in question. So for example, in Omaha high, you never play more than two of your four cards, but you must show them all. (I've only played O8 in a cardroom, but I believe this to be true for OH as well.)

The only exception is, I seem to recall a thread about an arcane way to play the board by saying "I play the board". In this case I inferred that you could toss your hole cards into the muck, but I haven't confirmed this rule to be in effect in any cardrooms I've visited.

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The only exception is, I seem to recall a thread about an arcane way to play the board by saying "I play the board". In this case I inferred that you could toss your hole cards into the muck, but I haven't confirmed this rule to be in effect in any cardrooms I've visited.

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You can get away with the "I play the board" routine if your opponent is
happily chopping with you, although they do have the right to see your
hand...and so do the cameras (no fouled hands, etc.) so DON'T MUCK
and assume anything.

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...one card in your drink

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nh

-ZEN

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Next time you think up some "how cool can I be" move, remember this.

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Why do you see this as a "how cool can I be?" move? The 3 doesn't play, so who cares?

However, if I was at the table and in the pot, I'd want to see the whole hand that I "paid" to see, so both cards should be turned over IMO.

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I love how everyone gets so bent out of shape about a hypothetical question/situation.

Obviously I would never do something so retarded in fear that it would cost me the pot, but alot of people have done weirded/worse crap than this.

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Along those lines...

I was on the button and of course dinner comes. I look at my first card the A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], I am dealing with the waiter and action is on me, I know from listening that everyone folded to me so I call, SB completes and BB checks.

Flop comes and it is AA3, check, check, I bet, SB calls, BB folds. Turn is a T, check, bet, call. River 6, check, bet, "hey you only have one card! FLOOR!"

Floor is called, hand is ruled live since significant action took place before anyone noticed I only had one card, I take the pot with one card...

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The rule in my room is that you have to show 2 cards to have any rights to the pot.

b

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At some point, were you planning to look at your other card? Shouldn't you have done something before the river bet?

Granted, I'm surprised you were allowed to play with one card given what I keep hearing in this forum about those hands. Maybe not mentioning it made it more likely you could play [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. Angler. j/k

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At some point, were you planning to look at your other card? Shouldn't you have done something before the river bet?

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Naw, there was reason to. I seen the flop and went back to flurting with waitress and getting ready to eat and played blind on the turn and river. I was playing 3/6 after winning the nightly tournament. Just wanted to donk around a little while I had some free dinner.

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Floor is called, hand is ruled live since significant action took place before anyone noticed I only had one card, I take the pot with one card...

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Sounds like a home game rather than a legit casino. I hope you tipped the Floor big time.

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Sounds like a home game rather than a legit casino. I hope you tipped the Floor big time.

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Fort McDowell about 4 months ago, Wayne was the floor on shift, he made the ruling. And no I did not tip the floor, as it is against the law for them to take tips in AZ. No need to get a good floor man in trouble.

It was a valid ruling and a good one at that. What was he supposed to do? Declair my hand dead after I have bet and been called PF, flop, turn and river (well he made a crying call after the hand was ruled live)?

If anyone had a beef it should have been me, but I was just donking around at low limits while I had my comp'ed dinner having some fun. One guy at the table gave the other guy no end of [censored] for not being able to beat a guy with only one card and not even looking at the turn or river.

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It was a valid ruling and a good one at that. What was he supposed to do? Declair my hand dead after I have bet and been called PF, flop, turn and river (well he made a crying call after the hand was ruled live)?

If anyone had a beef it should have been me,

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Ruling should have been your hand was dead. It is up to you to make sure you have the correct amount of cards. If you play with a fouled hand, it is your fault.


Now I am assuming "normal pokerroom rules" (ie Roberts Rules). Perhaps Fort McDowell has their own set of rules.

Why should you have a beef? Your turn pre-flop. Notice you have only one card. Tell the dealer before you act. Dealer gives you the top card, since he probably forgot to give you the last card (common mistake, especially if you are in Seat 1). Which will affect the flop, so there is a 2/3 chance that the flop will only contain one Ace, and the turn and river will be different. So the mistake (and the ruling) helped you.