I may not ever make a MTT FT
 

I may never make a mtt final table, i have been playing mtt's alot for the last 3-4 months, prob average 4-5 a week. I am yet to make a final table. I play anywhere from 5.50's to 20+2's. I have been knocked out in about 70 percent of them on races, have been knocked out 15 percent when I have had a big hand cracked, AA,KK etc...and then the other 15 percent have been when I donk out. It just seems like I can never get lucky, win the key hand to get my chipstack to the level where I can smoothly make the final table. I have 1 FT in PL Omaha and that is it....any advice would be great since alot of you are very good at mtt's...

btw i play mainly on stars...

Dougan

Re: I may not ever make a MTT FT
 

Post hands you have questions about. Without seeing how you play its difficult to give you advice. You might be playing too passively on the bubble or making countless other mistakes.

MTTs can be extremely frustrating. You can play perfect poker for 3 hours, have a good stack and then get sucked out on before the money gets significant. Just keep pushing your edges and you'll eventually have a breakout tournament.

Re: I may not ever make a MTT FT
 

Hang in there, it takes practice. Maybe stay more towards the $5-10 dollar tournaments so you can preserve your bankroll until you can make deep more often.

Re: I may not ever make a MTT FT
 

i thought the same way... but then i got lucky tonight and am in one right now... stick to it, and you'll make one

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Another suggestion: Play smaller (field wise) tournaments. Aren't most tournaments on Stars 1000+?

Try some odd hour tournaments on UB for instance. 10 AM $5+.5 1200 guaranteed, so that's 240 entrants to meet the guarantee, so you could probably expect 300 or so. That's a LOT smaller field.

I prefer tournaments in the 200-300 person range.

Re: I may not ever make a MTT FT
 

I don't exactly what sample size you are dealing with, or how big the fields are. If it is only 5 a week of large (+300) sized tournaments, not making a final table yet, is pretty normal. You can't expect to make the FT all that often-- its real hard.

However, assuming that you are dealing with an adequate sample size, you are losing because you arent good enough to be winning. It is not because you arent lucky, it is because you are playing poorly, and as a result you are losing. Pretty simple stuff no?

Chances are if you are consantly finding yourself waiting waiting waiting, and finally getting yourself in with a small stack- but the best hand- you are doing something wrong. Maybe you arent gamboooling enough early on, and therefore can't build a stack to survive the late stages, and be able to take a few hits to your stack.

Don't ever blame what you percieve to be long term losses on luck.

Re: I may not ever make a MTT FT
 

it goes in streaks

i had 4 fts and top 4 finishes in february


and no cash multi final tables until november

but 5 this month.


takes a lot of luck and goood play to get through these things man- keep your head up.

Re: I may not ever make a MTT FT
 

play some 5 table SnG's at stars. thats the best place to practice up for big fields IMO. once i got to the point where i was confident i could work my way through 45 people on a steady and consistent basis my results in bigger fields improved greatly.

it's very difficult. one day the key hands will go your way and it'll feel easy.

Re: I may not ever make a MTT FT
 

4-5 a week is really small sample size. I would recommend improving your game by multi-tabling the micro MTT's rather than single tabling a higher buyin. 2 tabling or more.

read HOH 1 & 2.

Re: I may not ever make a MTT FT
 

Most of the field sizes are mainly 1000+, I seem to maybe play a little too tight and just wait for the big hands...the sample size is deffiantly small. I just have been frustrated by not having any luck. I am mainly a sng player and a small cash player, i do very well in the sng's (10+1 & 20+2) but mtt's just seem to be haunting me....I do not like to play too many mtt's because of the variance and do not want to break my bankroll either, but I play them because if you do FT one of them the payout can be very nice.

Dougan

Re: I may not ever make a MTT FT
 

Try some of the Stars 180 person SNGs. The fields a re weak, and there are less people to wade through. You can definitely get the feeling of "going deep" in one of these. You never know, I had a long FT drought then hit two on back to back tourneys of 400 and 850 people. Hang in there.

Re: I may not ever make a MTT FT
 

Like someone else stated I recommend trying smaller field tournies until you can get a few good finishes. You should then get a feeling of the different stages of these things without having also to deal with 1000+ people. If you do well in STTs hopefully you understand what I'm throwin down because you also have to adapt to different parts of a STT.

Re: I may not ever make a MTT FT
 

Smaller field is key. You're first MTT win won't be with 1000+ people.

I agree- try a field with 200-300.

Also, if you're losing a lot of races early- you may be going 'all-in' too much. I've been doing well with MTT's lately, and I typically don't end up pushing my chips until i'm on the bubble, or severly short-stacked, or have the nut hand.

I also thought getting a chip lead early was critical, but it really doesn't matter. There's nothing wrong with hanging around average, knowing that you'll eventually double thru a few people and build your stack.

The final table is the great chip equalizer.

GL

Re: I may not ever make a MTT FT
 

You've played roughly 80 1000+ runner tournaments, and no final tables? No big deal. I highly doubt there's anyone on this board who has never been in the same situation. Exit posted his stats, and (I'm going off memory here) he makes an FT about 1.2% of the time. Moreover, he's better than you are (No offense, he's better than a lot of people.), so don't sweat it.