someone make sense of this for me please (LC)
 

hey so i'm playing the 2/5 at the borgata... i'm just wondering if someone can explain this guy's thought process to me. after losing 20k+ in 3 big pots going in as the massive favorite in the 10/25, i just had to laugh at how bad i was running. after this hand, i burst out laughing for a good 10 minutes because it was perfect. three times i had made a baby flush on the turn and had a 4th flush card come on the river. anyway enough bad beat moaning... please someone make sense of this for me, or just have a good laugh.

the table is giving me no respect as i've literally come from the must move and blown 200 bucks being compeltely crazy real quick...

a guy with 1k+ (i have him covered) raises to 15.. i call with 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], one other caller.

flop comes K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

he bets 25, i make it 75. he calls.

turn is 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

he checks i bet 150 he calls

river is 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

he bets 300, i shake my head and fold. he very proudly tables A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and for the next 10 minutes the table chatters about how badly i got outplayed. i proceed to want to kill myself.

question: which idiot play did he make? did he call without odds to draw to a draw he didn't even have just to bluff? or did he think he have the best hand then bluff the river anyway? or was it something else?

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he didn't want to show down a loser.

he was calling for value and then opted to bluff the river.. this really isn't that rare of a play

sometimes i'll call a raise with an AJ and call two bets on a jack hi board.. then i'll get a pretty good read that the guy had QQ/KK

if the 3rd flush card hits the river i'll just play it like i had a flush rather than check down a probable loser

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that would make sense except that he said he thought i was bluffing the whole way... i wouldn't just randomly bluff with someone to act behind me or in general... if i was going to bluff it was probably with a big spade...

Re: someone make sense of this for me please (LC)
 

Like I said he was calling with the suspicion that he had the best hand.

Then he was afraid that perhaps you have rivered a lame flush. He didn't want to check down a loser so he bluffed.

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He did not think you were bluffing. He did not think anything other than he had AK and flopped top pair and that hand is borderline unfoldable.

BTW, I think you may be one of the few players in that game who folds your hand on the end (which is g00t) but you cannot outthink opponents who do not think.

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He thought he had the best hand then bluffed the river once he felt like he was behind since he didn't have a spade. You probably should have just killed him right there.

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people make plays that make no sense. it's how we make money.

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he didn't want K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] to drag the pot, which is what he put you on!

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hahahahaha

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I really don't understand what was laughably bad about this play.. it's borderline sophisticated

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This is just a bad player making an incomprehensible play. I think that he thought his hand was good and you were messing with him. After all, he did have BIG SLICK!!

Although I have never played as high as you are used to playing, it's obvious to me that the high-limit games are completely different than the mid-limit games. It's not too unusual to encounter this sort of thing at a ~2/5 game, especially when it's in a casino and not online.

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I really don't understand what was laughably bad about this play.. it's borderline sophisticated

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i think the idiot played it good.

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I dont think his play is bad at all. If he checks you're gonna fire with a worse hand and make him fold a good percentage of the time. your play isnt really consistent with a big spade, so he block bluffs whereas on a non-spade river he probably would check-call (which makes sense to me given your image)

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I really don't understand what was laughably bad about this play.. it's borderline sophisticated

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i think the idiot played it good.

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What was good about his turn play? I must be missing it...

Re: someone make sense of this for me please (LC)
 

he called a medium sized bet from an aggro bluffing plyr w/ TPTK.
how is that bad?

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some people need to re-read the section in HoH Vol. 2 about the dark tunnel bluff.

It was really the "ah ha!" moment for me in the world of poker.

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I think you got outplayed, whether he knew what he was doing or not.


Tex

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This is what happens when you downshift so many gears at once, it's hard to go from playing your best game vs tough opposition at 10/25 to letting donks hand you their money at 2/5.

He thought he had the best hand on the turn (AKo being the powerhouse that it is) and then decided to bluff the river, figuring you had a weak spade at best.

Re: someone make sense of this for me please (LC)
 

So you're telling me that your line here with AK no spade is to bet the flop and call a raise and then check/call the turn? What's your line for a blank river? I assume you are also betting 300 on the river here since you said he played it well? If she doesn't have a big spade then she must have had you beat badly on the turn. If she doesn't have you beat badly on the turn, then she must have a big spade and you should check/fold the river. No?

Re: someone make sense of this for me please (LC)
 

Dear IHateCats,

You wanna know what I think about people who hate cats?

They don't know how to cook 'em.


As to the hand, maybe he knew he had a black ace but didn't know which one?

Or maybe he knew what he had and he simply played it great. Looks to me like he won the max.


Tommy

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So you're telling me that your line here with AK no spade is to bet the flop and call a raise and then check/call the turn? What's your line for a blank river? I assume you are also betting 300 on the river here since you said he played it well? If she doesn't have a big spade then she must have had you beat badly on the turn. If she doesn't have you beat badly on the turn, then she must have a big spade and you should check/fold the river. No?

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flawless never claimed that this was his preferred line

his point was he didn't play the hand all that bad.. and it certainly isn't worthy of the 'omg kill the fish' type responses

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it certainly isn't worthy of the 'omg kill the fish' type responses

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The OP was asking for 'omg kill the fish' type responses. In my book when a woman asks for those responses, that makes it worthy of them. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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So you're telling me that your line here with AK no spade is to bet the flop and call a raise and then check/call the turn? What's your line for a blank river? I assume you are also betting 300 on the river here since you said he played it well? If she doesn't have a big spade then she must have had you beat badly on the turn. If she doesn't have you beat badly on the turn, then she must have a big spade and you should check/fold the river. No?

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i neveer have a "line," i just make that sh.t up as i go.

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I never know how I'm going to play a street until I play the [censored], either.


Tex

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I never know how I'm going to play a street until I play the [censored], either.


Tex

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lol

Tex you are my favorite poster, and it's not even close.

KoW

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I never know how I'm going to play a street until I play the [censored], either.


Tex

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Re: someone make sense of this for me please (LC)
 

A lot of those live guys suck at cards but they're good at reading people.

Maybe he watched your reaction as the river card came, correctly decided that you were disgusted, and so he bet out strong.

Re: someone make sense of this for me please (LC)
 

well ok you guys have convinced me there could definitely be logic to his play, and that was the purpose of the thread, so thanks. this guy, however, sucked. also i think he might have been drawing without odds just to bluff... who knows.

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I don't see how this play is so incomprehensible or bad. All these people saying saying it's an idiot play or "people just make bad plays" or whatever should try and explain their reasoning. It looks to me like he check/called the turn thinking maybe he had the best hand, maybe not. Then he figures that spade is a good card to bet because he actually has a chance of folding a hand better than his.

SpaceAce

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Why did everyone think you got outplayed? Did you show your cards? How would they know you didnt have KQ w/o a spade or something like that?