$200 NL- JJ ... lotta players, lotta possibilities......
 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Button ($277.74)
Hero ($207.40)
BB ($219.60)
UTG ($483.15)
MP ($213.05)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $7</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $7, Hero (poster) calls $6, BB calls $5.

Flop: ($28) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $12</font>, Hero calls $12, BB calls $12, UTG folds.

Turn: ($64) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $25</font>, Hero folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: $89

Thoughts?

Re: $200 NL- JJ ... lotta players, lotta possibilities......
 

????????????????????????? Explanation please.

Re: $200 NL- JJ ... lotta players, lotta possibilities......
 

Without a read (as played) I am am calling down his weak bets at this point. You are getting better than 3-1 here.

Do you think he flopped the straight or a set? I am leaning toward raising the flop to isolate or get villain to push (which hero would have to fold).

Re: $200 NL- JJ ... lotta players, lotta possibilities......
 

I lead this flop almost always. If I decided to check and it made it all the way around to the button who bet &lt; 50% of the pot, I would certainly check raise. If I decided not to checkraise because I was worried about the other 2, then I would probably stop-n-go the turn for 3/4 pot.

You've essentially played your hand like a nekkid 8. Got any reads on any of these players?

KoW

Re: $200 NL- JJ ... lotta players, lotta possibilities......
 

How do you fold here? Looks like villian just picked up a few extra outs with the flush draw on top of the straight draw.

I call and check fold to any 8, J or K... but I have to think you are ahead here and a reraise to $50 might just slow down the button if they are firing second barrel with AK.

Guin

Re: $200 NL- JJ ... lotta players, lotta possibilities......
 

You're in the middle being squeezed. When Button bets the flop you've got two players left to act behind you. You've got really marginal cards that can't stand any pressure. I don't call this flop bet hoping to hit a gut shot or a J. Fold to the flop bet.

Re: $200 NL- JJ ... lotta players, lotta possibilities......
 

I think you need to check-raise the flop to get draws to fold and find out where villian is. Your hoping to end the hand on the flop. If villain re-raises, you fold. The toughest decision is what to do on the turn if villain just calls in which case, with no reads, I'd not want to put any more money in the pot unless I got help.

Re: $200 NL- JJ ... lotta players, lotta possibilities......
 

Why check the flop? Why not lead out to find out some more info; this makes your fold on the turn less-agonizing.

Re: $200 NL- JJ ... lotta players, lotta possibilities......
 

First lets look at preflop. What is the frequency UTG has been raising? Is $7 his standard first in raise, or is it a small raise for him? If this is his standard raise and he doesn't raise frequently then I like your call. Otherwise I put in a pot sized bet here. On the flop I don't like the check/call at all. Again it will help to know the tendencies of UTG. Will he make a continuation bet with overcards even against several callers or no? If yes then I go for a checkraise, if not then I lead out on this flop. Provided you've played the hand this passively so far I have to agree with your fold on the turn. You haven't taken any opportunity to test the buttons hand and now you are facing his bet with with a player behind you yet to act. Unless you know the button is capable of taking multiple shots at the pot with position I don't see any way you can call the turn bet.

Re: $200 NL- JJ ... lotta players, lotta possibilities......
 

not leading turn is bad

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i'm also leading on flop, eventually cr on flop, cutting draws and gaining information sooner imo

Re: $200 NL- JJ ... lotta players, lotta possibilities......
 

Why are you going to a flop 4 ways in a 5-handed game with JJ? If you're not re-raising here with jacks, what are you re-raising pf with?

Re: $200 NL- JJ ... lotta players, lotta possibilities......
 

I think your line is weak.

On the flop, the pot is $28 and you have an overpair that is vulnerable to overcards falling on the turn or river. I don't think button or bb has AA or KK as the button should be raising with potential action behind him, and BB would certainly need to be raising with 3 people calling the raise in front of him. UTG, of course, could have a range of hands.

T97 rainbow is a good flop for you. What you need to find out is if UTG has an overpair to yours, or if one of the other 2 hit a set (or possibly has QQ). With no reads (you just sat down and I'll assume you haven't played with these folks before), I think the best way to define your hand is to lead out with a bet anywhere from 2/3 to full pot. There is a good chance your hand is best here and you'll take down the pot immediately.

At the same time, they are going to have a hard time putting you on AA/KK given you didn't reraise. They are likely to put you on AK/Q or a pair. If you check, someone behind you will likely think you missed and lead out. If you check here, you must be willing to put a big raise on anyone making a timid bet (e.g. 1/2 pot or less).

As the play happened, everyone checked to the button. Well, what do you think the button is going to do in this situation??? He's gonna bet it, of course. And he leads out with a timid bet of less than 1/2 the pot. If you are not willing to put the checkraise on him here, you are probably playing above your bankroll.

By checking and calling, you gain very little information and at the same time are telling the person leading the action that you are unsure of yourself. Any strong player is going to fire again at you on the turn.