QQ from SB
 

Villain is 49/12 over 50 hands.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button ($153.85)
Hero ($213.19)
BB ($263.73)
UTG ($293.26)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, Button calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $11</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $10, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $40</font>, Hero ???

Re: QQ from SB
 

have you seen him makes these limp-raises preflop before?

only hands this makes sense to do with are AA or KK

Re: QQ from SB
 

would a reraise be wrong here because of his stats?

Re: QQ from SB
 

Have you done this before? Can he put you on a steal? Can he limp AA/KK from the button?

I'm not a 6 maxer, but I'd guess the button is on either two high cards or (more likely) a smaller pair. I'd guess small pair or connectors from UTG.

I'd tend to push as I think most people won't limp AA/KK from the button (even in 6 max?). Once I rule out AA/KK, I'd hate to make a flop mistake OOP against two opponents.

Re: QQ from SB
 

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have you seen him makes these limp-raises preflop before?


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I should have clarified, I have only been at the table for one or two orbits, villains stats came from a different session. So no, I have not seem him limpreraise before and I have not yet raised out of the blinds this session.

Re: QQ from SB
 

I can see people making this play with JJ/TT as well as AA/KK, so I think a push is fine. It looks a bit like a steal because the raise is so large. But the villain seems fairly reasonable...so I am not sure.

Re: QQ from SB
 

I'd push. If villain really is that tricky then he just tricked himself my stack.

Re: QQ from SB
 

I think you fold here... what were your stats vs. this player in the past? UTG calling is also an issue because if you call and UTG pushes you are now in a bigger problem.

So fold and hope to get in the same situation with AA or KK. I think it is possible to lay down the best hand here to gather more information about villian before risking the stack.

Guin

Re: QQ from SB
 

the guy is either really good or really bad, id love to take advantage of his error, but limp reraises usually indicate very strong. I fold and go get a beer....grrrr.

Re: QQ from SB
 

Don't you think if UTG wanted to push he'd have made a reraise/push after hero raises? I think he wants to see a flop with something like a mid pp or AQ.

I say push and isolate the button.

Re: QQ from SB
 

I just cant see the button limping with AA or KK...If he did, hes getting extremely lucky that the sb is raising. Looks more like 88 - JJ to me.

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Don't you think if UTG wanted to push he'd have made a reraise/push after hero raises? I think he wants to see a flop with something like a mid pp or AQ.

I say push and isolate the button.

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isolate...no one is seeing the flop other than hero and villain, this is 20X bb limp reraise, no sane player is seeing a flop there. scratch that, no insane player is seeing a flop....

Re: QQ from SB
 

uhhhhh....49/12.....why on earth would anyone limp KK AA on the button??? i dont like pushing pf. assuming u are rolled and dont mine being wrong i would call and checkraise all in on any non ace flop. 49vpip is just dumb enough to limp AA KK on the buttn, but he is also dumb enough to do this with AJ 1010 etc. flip a coin or something and checkraise all in on a non ace flop. or u could fold. on second thought i might just fold here. yea, without a read on villain i would fold take notes on this play and keep going. if he is making some wacky play where we are ahead here we will get him eventually. against an unknown i think we muck here. i think it is close enough to where it could go either way i would fold u only have 5.5 BB invested variance can be a mother.

Re: QQ from SB
 

Interesting, for some reason, i put button on JJ or TT.

He calls and then reraises to $40 hopefully trying to get you to fold AK preflop.

Re: QQ from SB
 

the old limp behind on the button with AA/KK is pretty damn rare

it's definitely possible.. i don't see why you would want to re-raise here though

just call and take a flop

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the old limp behind on the button with AA/KK is pretty damn rare

it's definitely possible.. i don't see why you would want to re-raise here though

just call and take a flop

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agreed. i think that villain would have to be pretty bad to get all-in here with a hand like TT. i'd call and get a-i on a non-A flop and make a decision if it does come with an A.

Re: QQ from SB
 

I play the party 6-max 100nl, and whenever I see weird weird [censored] like this it is rarely aces or kings, I always end up seeing like AQo or 1010 or 99. It is only four handed though so [censored] like this is certainly possible. I think I play it like my queens are good and either push or call and get it in on a non ace board.

Re: QQ from SB
 

In the actual hand I chose to push all in, thinking at least that i am taking away his advantage of being in position on me this way...he ended up having KK. After the hand I felt like I should have taken the call and get all in on any non A flop line. Seems like to get any useful notes it usually ends up costing my stack, oh well.

Re: QQ from SB
 

Ive run into the button limp rr once at 50nl and once at 100nl. Both times it was KK. I will continue to give it NO respect.

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Ive run into the button limp rr once at 50nl and once at 100nl. Both times it was KK. I will continue to give it NO respect.

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um - based on your experience - shouldn't you GIVE it respect? that limp rr is rare - seems to me that that type of play means a powerhouse hand