Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside
 

I have been playing online poker for quite some time, almost two years. I actually started out in bonus hunting mainly on the casino side and eventually started giving poker a try.

I've always liked playing poker and am an extremely smart individual with great math skills. However, even after 35k hands, I still cannot get the hang of poker.

I would appreciate any input from you guys on how to get over this hump.

Here are the stats:

http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/7...tats35k6el.jpg

http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/1...tats35k8dh.jpg

http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/6...ats235k8bh.jpg

Like I said, these stats include hands I played almost 18 months ago and my play has certainly changed since then. I took a break for about 3 months to focus on the casino side and just started picking back up again (Christmas break is coming and I'm going to have 3 weeks of poker nonstop).



Here are my stats over the last 6k hands with what I thought was a better strategy:

http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/9...stats6k9aw.jpg

I would appreciate all criticism. I'm up over 3k in bonuses but things would certainly be looking a lot nicer if I had the BB/hand to back it up. I'm WAAAAY overolled for the limits I'm playing but there is no sense in moving up without winning first (obviously).

So what leaks do you think I can fix?

Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside
 

I once ran into a 25k break even streak. It was at 3/6.

Try posting actual hands

PFR% is a bit low but your aggro factor is right on. You're probably just not getting your share of good cards.

In case you didn't know, raise AJo and KQo in EP

Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside
 

Post hands here, respond to hands here, and read (or reread) SSHE by Miller, Malumuth, and Sklansky.

Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside
 

Your folded to river bet is insanely high. Before folding so-so hands like top pair on the river you have to look at the size of the pot.

You are surely folding many winners and giving up lots of money in the process.

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I would suggest joining in with the session reviewing that is now weekly in the micro forum. Basically you review a block of someones hands and a different player reviews yours. They may spot a problem or two.

Your figures look reasonable - vpip, pfr and aggression wise. I think your river agg is a bit high (others may disagree). You do fold rivers a lot though. Might you be overplaying your hands post flop? At 1/2 you will likely find it dificult to push players off pairs with your overcards etc.

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A good portion of the 35k sample was probably not very good poker. However, I really thought I "got" it after my break from poker, especially after all the studying I did.

I thought that my fold at the river % was mainly due to my earlier playing, but looking again, even my recent 6k sample had 55% fold rate. Wonder why?

Also, when analyzing the stats, I would look at the 6k sample as it definitely shows my playing tendencies currently.

If anyone thinks its necessary, I can post my detailed stats for the most previous hands.

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You may be folding too much out of the blinds.
Plus it does not appear that you check-raise very often.

This may make you pretty easy to read?
Tough to tell just from stats though.

Welcome to the boards. And don't quit.

Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside
 

you should be checkraising far more often than 98 times out of 34,000

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My first attempt at posting hands here so bear with me.

Hand 1

Paradise Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

River: (6.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

I'm sure this is a very simple hand for most of you, but I'm sure this is where I need to improve. How far do you guys push this hand?

Hand 2

Paradise Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

River: (4.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 4.50 BB

Same sort of deal, I had a great draw for the entire way. Is there a place to bet anywhere?

Hand 3

Paradise Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP2 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, Hero folds, MP2 calls.

Ideas?

Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats in
 

hand 1 good

hand 2 - risky semi bluff against 4 players left to act but +ev i think since you have 2 overs also.
turn and river are fine

hand 3 - well played.

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hand 2- you can also try for a check raise to either build the pot or win the pot with a turn bet depending on who bet the flop.

Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside
 

I don't know of anybody that can beat the game if they only win 51.47% of showdowns. Everything else looks fine to me

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I don't know of anybody that can beat the game if they only win 51.47% of showdowns. Everything else looks fine to me

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What are you talking about? That's a pretty standard W$SD for winning players. You should shoot for between 50-57%. If you're much higher than 57 it actually means that you are folding way too much and getting pushed around.

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Do me one favor go back and separate a block of 5k hands where you won less than 53% of your showdowns and still was beating the the game, then we will talk more.
Op is beating the game when he wins 56% of showdowns but is loosing at 51%. My stats says that 53% breakeven 55% I'm a 2bb/100 hands. Granted I may have leaks elsewhere.

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I agree that over 57% you are probably not going to showdown enough, but op is going there ~32% of time. So here I think there could be a scenario of just running bad.

I believe he should be winning more than the .2 bb/100 hands at a won$ at SD of 56 as his first 34k hands shows. That tells me something is wrong with his game, but his last 6.5k hands does not

Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside
 

My win at showdown % is a shade over 54%,

and this worries me a little bit.

Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside
 

how many hands, what limit, are you winning?

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how many hands, what limit, are you winning?

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I am winning. Limits 1/2, 2/4, 3/6 a combined 52k hands this year. I am at work so I can't give you the breakdown, but the majority of the hands are 2/4.

Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside
 

Wow! Should my AG be this high? 3.1 river AG. Maybe I am way to passive.

What are the "ideal" AG numbers by street for 1/2, 2/4?

Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside
 

I don't play 1/2 and 2/4 so I don't want to comment there. I have played 35k hands of 3-6 and I'm winning 1.06 BB/100 at a showdown % of 55.8. I would say that with a showdown winning % of 54 you are about a .5 bb/100
It is my opinion that showdown % is an effect line and can explain a lot about our results and I have seen very little detailed discussion on it, just general BS stuff. Like to see breakdown when you get a chance. good luck

Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside
 

I'd be happy to supply you with more stats, but I really don't see how you can predict winrate from W$SD alone?

Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside
 

I can't predict win rate. But I believe it will tell us if we are running good or bad. I.e. if your winning % at showdown is 60% and you are losing there would be significant leaks in your game. So I'm trying to find at what % do you have to be in order to make money and what rate is sustainable. I think this would be huge when you try a higher limit, since most of us try to move up with a short br. So basically I'm trying to find a point where you go from saying I'm having bad luck to my game can't beat this limit.

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So could I possibly just be going through the worst breakeven streak to start someone's poker career? I seem to do ok with the few hands I posted (I'll post more), and besides the fact that I fold too much on the river, all my stats seem to be in line with everyone else.

The only thing I've been thinking is that I might hold on to my cards too long..meaning, I might call a turn bet knowing that I'm beat unless I get a miracle card on the river, causing my fold % on the river to be high?

Any other thoughts?

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Wow! Should my AG be this high? 3.1 river AG. Maybe I am way to passive.

What are the "ideal" AG numbers by street for 1/2, 2/4?

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No, IMO this guy's river aggresion is way too high.

Also I'd like to add a general note for the OP. It might be benificial to cut out some your marginal holdings preflop (the Axs in EP, the small pairs in EP, etc.) in an attempt to bring down your VPIP into the 16-18 range until you are comfortable when and why some these marginal holds are profitable. Although it could be you plays these hands fine and have some other major leaks with another group of hands. From your first hand example it could be possible that you are consisently over playing big cards when you don't flop pairs (this probably contributes to your high aggro numbers).

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No there are leaks to your game based on the 34k hands, with the won $ wsf at 37.44 and winning % at showdown at 56.06%. Based on that I think you should have won more.
good luck.

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Calling the BB on the turn when you need a "miracle" card
could certainly be contributing to your breakeven state if,
by miracle card, you are referring to a card where you lack
the proper implied odds to make the call.

If you did this on 1% of your hands (which I recognize is
probably a bit high), it could have cost you a fair bit.

Assuming you lost all the hands requiring a miracle card,
you would have been +700 for having folded when you lacked
the odds to call.

Allowing for the fact that you probably hit the card occasionally,
maybe 15/350, and won an 8BB pot each time, you'd still be
+430 for having not made the turn calls.

I had a similar leak at 1/2 where I was overestimating the
eventual pot size so that I would have the implied odds I
needed to call on the turn; when I stopped, my BB/100
started to inflate and in short order I was doing well at
2/4.

Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside
 

Preflop could use a bit more raising, but that's something that can come later in your development. It's also possible that a large amount of your low winrate can be attributed to variance, though it's also possible that only a negligible amount is due to variance.

The main thing I am concerned about is your postflop play. The best way to work on it is to post hands here in the SS forum and to read other hands and try commenting on them. (Don't worry if you're wrong and don't take any criticisms of your ideas personally.)

Your aggression factor is high. On the one hand, that is encouraging -- tight and aggressive is the way to go. But at the same time, you may be raising or folding when you should be calling. It's hard to tell without seeing hands. You could be overplaying overcards or you could be folding weak draws when you have odds to hit them. You could also be folding too much on the river. In general, you should usually end up seeing more than 31% of showdowns and win less than 56% of showdowns. (Winning less frequently can still result in a higher winrate.) But you cannot approach the game by artificially seeing more showdowns, you have to study your game and see where you might be making incorrect folds.

I can't say what is happening without watching you play or at least seeing some hands you have played. So post the ones that you seem most confused about. Keep reviewing hand histories from your sessions to learn from and keep trying to match the concepts in the various poker books (SSHE, TOP, etc.) to the games you are playing in.

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Your folded to river bet is insanely high.

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This, I think, is the only thing you need to work on. It will have a huge impact. Once you get used to showing down some marginal hands magical things happen. Trust me.

Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside
 

I skimmed through the other replies but didn't read them all word for word, so apologies if I'm restating a point that someone else has already made.

On the surface, your (overall) stats look good. Your VPIP is right in the sweet spot, your PFR is a tad low but not terribly so. You're folding just a tad too often postflop, but again those numbers aren't far off the norm. And your postflop AF is very good.

I believe the problem lies in the fact that these are all pretty good stats for a small stakes game, like 2/4 or 3/6. You're playing 1/2 full, which is generally a loose passive orgy. Your VPIP should probably be a bit higher than 18 (the 20 number over your last 6k hands is closer to what I'd like to play in a game like that); your VPIP from the SB should be higher than 27-ish (complete with any 2 suited in a 1:2 blind structure, and given how loose most 1/2 tables play, you can probably complete with unsuited connectors most times as well).

Raise your big hands preflop more often, because you are usually going to the flop with a sizeable equity edge over the field as a whole. Also, you should be raising from LP with good multiway hands behind several limpers (things like JTs). Again, you usually have an equity edge, and your typical 1/2 opponent will happily pay off with anything even remotely resembling a hand when you hit.

What really worries me, though, is the way your postflop AF breaks down. It's all bass-ackwards. Your flop aggression should be the highest of the three numbers, with a small decline on the turn and a relatively significant drop in your river aggression. The fact that your aggression follows an opposite course suggests that:

1) You are slowplaying too often.
2) You are trying too many bluffs/semibluffs vs. the calling stations at 1/2.
3) You are folding reasonable draws to flop/turn bets too often.

Any of these deficiencies. is a pretty big leak; if you're guilty of all three then that would put a huge crimp on your win rate.

As others suggested, post more hands where you're not sure about your play. The three that you did post in this thread all looked good given the limit you're playing. Following along with the session reviews on the micro forum is also an excellent suggestion.

The answer to the question you posed in the thread title is simple: if you don't enjoy poker anymore, quit. But if you do enjoy the game and are willing to continue making the effort to improve, a 35k hand breakeven streak shouldn't even cause quitting to become an option.

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Thank you for the great reply.

When I first started my poker career, my PFR was extremely low so it is skewing the numbers a bit. The 6k stats are much more like what I currently play at.

After looking over your three possible reasons, I think that #2 is definitely the cause. After thinking about my play, I've safely ruled out #1.

#3 is also a possibility to some degree, especially in my entire 35k hand sample. However, I have gotten ALOT better at calculating odds. Although I still do not do it as religously as I should, I definitely figure them out on drawing hands.

Now to #2. This has got to be it. Say I have AK and the flop comes with rags, how far do you push? What if you have KK and an A comes?

Stuff like that.

I've had a bunch of interesting hands tonight but they have been on Prima (no hand converter) and Multipoker 9 max since no full games are running.

Also, I do not think that the $1/$2 games are very loose at all. Especially at some of the smaller sights, and even at some the X-skins, flop %'s are usually in the high 20's, low 30's.

Much different from when I first started playing.

Since I depend on bonuses for so much of my play, I'm always playing at different sites. Especially while clearing bonuses at $1/$2, i find that many of the people are typical ABC poker players who are clearing the bonus just like me. Theoretically, I would t hink that 2/4 would be much easier.

I'm way overbankrolled for 2/4 thanks to casinos but I would like to fix at least some of the major leaks in my game before I move up.

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Do me one favor go back and separate a block of 5k hands where you won less than 53% of your showdowns and still was beating the the game, then we will talk more.
Op is beating the game when he wins 56% of showdowns but is loosing at 51%. My stats says that 53% breakeven 55% I'm a 2bb/100 hands. Granted I may have leaks elsewhere.

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After 100K+ my WSD%/W$SD% = 32.82/50.78 - with a solid winrate. I think your vastly overestimating the length of time that it takes these stats to converge into something so meaningful that it's the only thing we need to look at to make determinations about a player's winrate.

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Your leak is this: you are taking a TON of hands to the river and folding then. While your WTSD is low, you should be folding more on the FLOP, not the river. Basically you're holding onto losing hands too long and folding them to river bets instead of earlier streets. In other words, you bloat the pot and then fold at the end. This keeps your WTSD where it should be but it means you put a lot of money into the pot in the process. My guess is you are doing lots of bet/fold lines on the turn and river...hands where you should be check/folding or check/calling. Hopefully this helps.

-dustyn

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Thank you for the great reply.

When I first started my poker career, my PFR was extremely low so it is skewing the numbers a bit. The 6k stats are much more like what I currently play at.

After looking over your three possible reasons, I think that #2 is definitely the cause. After thinking about my play, I've safely ruled out #1.

#3 is also a possibility to some degree, especially in my entire 35k hand sample. However, I have gotten ALOT better at calculating odds. Although I still do not do it as religously as I should, I definitely figure them out on drawing hands.

Now to #2. This has got to be it. Say I have AK and the flop comes with rags, how far do you push? What if you have KK and an A comes?

Stuff like that.

I've had a bunch of interesting hands tonight but they have been on Prima (no hand converter) and Multipoker 9 max since no full games are running.

Also, I do not think that the $1/$2 games are very loose at all. Especially at some of the smaller sights, and even at some the X-skins, flop %'s are usually in the high 20's, low 30's.

Much different from when I first started playing.

Since I depend on bonuses for so much of my play, I'm always playing at different sites. Especially while clearing bonuses at $1/$2, i find that many of the people are typical ABC poker players who are clearing the bonus just like me. Theoretically, I would t hink that 2/4 would be much easier.

I'm way overbankrolled for 2/4 thanks to casinos but I would like to fix at least some of the major leaks in my game before I move up.

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I think you're dead on with #2. My guess is you're pushing overcards a lot...doing bet/fold lines on the turn with them, and bloating the pot with essentially nothing. Playing unimproved overcards is difficult, but in a 1/2 game where people aren't folding, you are better off just letting go of them on the turn if they are unimproved (since it's 1/2 I'm assuming there's lots of multiway pots). Or you can raise the flop and take a free card on the turn - I think that's especially effective in a passive game where people are less likely to 3 bet you on the flop.

-dustyn

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The only thing I've been thinking is that I might hold on to my cards too long..meaning, I might call a turn bet knowing that I'm beat unless I get a miracle card on the river, causing my fold % on the river to be high?

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That's huge leak for most people.

When facing a bet or raise on the Turn, think to yourself
Do I have a solid made hand or a reasonable draw to a really good one?
If not, fold.

You'r probably calling lots of Turn bets with bottom pair, an underpair, unimproved overcards or a gutshot hoping for that miracle.

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Hand 1, I bet the Flop.

Hand 2, I play it the same way.

Hand 3, not sure I raise Q10s pre-flop but would definitely raise the Flop bet regardless.

Might have been tempted to check behind after the scary 9 hit on the Turn, but I probably end up doing the same as you did. At least you weren't a complete Donkey calling a double checkraise and praying for a Jack to hit (with at least one if not 2 in your opponents' hands).

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Its a game. Are you having fun? If so, don't quit. If you aren't, then you probably should.

Sure, it would be nice to be winning more money, but the fact that you are breaking even in a raked game, means that you are beating the game to some extent. Just not enough to beat the rake (Which was $1300) over your sample.

But it really goes back to the first question, are you having fun?

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Maybe a little more background would help.

I'm a 21 year old college student. I'm EXTREMELY competitive and was fortunate enough to have very smart parents who passed that down to me. School comes extremely easy for me (full ride for grades), meaning I have hours upon hours of free time on my hands.

Being so competitive, it annoys me to no end that I can't beat this game. By my very nature (smart and analytical) it should seem like a game that I should thrive in, and I'm not.

Basically, I'm looking at this like a challenge. And I'll play 200k hands or however much it takes until I can consistently beat this game. That's just the person I came.

I came from a background in casino whoring and made a great deal of money off of it. I LIVED off of +EV opportunities no matter how risky it was. However, due to my age, I got into the casino side too late and missed many of the greatest opportunities.

In Poker, I see one of the greatest +EV opportunities that we have ever seen. It would be a shame to pass it up.

Also, I've been trying to post hands from Multipoker and I can't get the converter to work. Even though the converter recognizes Party and Empire, I guess it doesn't recognize Multi and Pokernow? Any converters that do? Since I'm playing at Prima and Multi/Pokernow, its tough to post hands.

Also, as I speak, I'm currently down some 55B in 1/2 over the last day and a half as my win at showdown plumments even further while trying to implement the changes people have suggested.

I know its a very tiny sample but its definitely disheartening.

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8...ststats3sf.jpg

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By my very nature (smart and analytical) it should seem like a game that I should thrive in, and I'm not.

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These skills (and confidence) can actually be fairly dangerous to have while you're still learning the game &amp; playing on microlimits. I know that I had a fair amount of trouble when I started out with overthinking &amp; making too many "expert" plays in the micros. At some point, you need to tone down your thinking while at the table and go to a more ABC approach--the old "walk before you run" thing. Multi-tabling helped me to do this, although I still capped myself at two tables for the first 8 months or so.

Remember, many of your opponents in the 1/2 &amp; below games are not good at poker, plain and simple. They are either loose/passives who just like to gambool, or as you pointed out, are other bonus whores who are playing a weak/tight game in the interest of getting in as many raked hands as possible with as low a risk as possible. Neither category of opponent is going to be making a lot of moves against you, and so neither should you try to make them that often. It's very easy when you're confident in your intelligence and analytical ability to pigeonhole your opponent to a very specific holding, and try to outplay him postflop when he's not sophisticated enough (or is playing too many tables while working off a bonus to recognize) your play.

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Also, I've been trying to post hands from Multipoker and I can't get the converter to work. Even though the converter recognizes Party and Empire, I guess it doesn't recognize Multi and Pokernow? Any converters that do? Since I'm playing at Prima and Multi/Pokernow, its tough to post hands.

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Post your hands by hand. Copy a hand history from PT and paste it into Word, Notepad, etc., and then edit it to remove screennames, extraneous info, etc. Then paste it in here and you're good to go. Sure, it's a bit of a pain, but you probably won't (shouldn't) post more than 1 or 2 hands a day anyway. And, on the plus side, doing it by hand can force you to really think about the hand before you post it.

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And the crapshow continues, down 80BB in two days as my win % at shodown continues to stay at 47% despite going to showdown 30% of the time.

Hand 4

MP+2 with Kd8d

4 limpers including me

Flop is Js, 6h, 8h

Everyone checks to me, and I check

Turn is 5s

4 checks, so I bet, with 1 caller

River is Ad

I bet and am called

Any thoughts on this hand?