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Yesterday I played (read: treaded water, trying not to drown) in the 1/2 game I talked about earlier. For those not familiar with that post, the game is a bunch of older golfer/gambler type guys and a few of them play a strong game.


Hand 1

I'm MP with KK

UTG limps, fold, fold, I raise, button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop

J J 4

check, check,UTG bets I raise, folds around to UTG who calls.

Turn 5

check, I bet, he calls

River A

he checks, I ponder my best move, and figure maybe his most likely holding is a PP, so I bet, he check raises me, I insta-call...

thoughts on that hand greatly appreciated



Hand 2

Family pot less one sane player.

I have AJo in the SB, and i just complete, as it is not uncommon for someone to limp AK or 10-10 thrugh QQ in this game. So there's nine to the flop.....No one raises here, right?

Flop

Kc Qc 3x

I check, bb checks, checks around to MP who bets, everyone inbetween him and me calls, I call, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds


5 players to the turn

Turn

10c


I bet, and MP gives a little speech then says "I raise"

folds back to me, and at this point I looked back at my hand and realize I did have the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], I three-bet him, and he's not a passive player, fairly agg for this group.
He calls quick.

River was a 3 or 4 non club.

I bet......???? thoughts???

You'll love these results, and you'll understand the title when I post them....




Tex

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both played well...nh

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both hands well played.

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jinx.

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I dont love the flop raise in hand 1.

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i was gonna mention that id rather call there, but it doesnt really seem like too big a deal either way.

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you might be able to c/r the river in hand 2.

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On hand one, I would check the turn. He may have bet the flop with a jack to disguise his hand since he figures you wouldn't put him on that if he bet right out. Or he may have bet some kind of weaker pocket pair or possibly a 4 or total bluff. By checking the turn, you may induce him to bluff a hand on the river he would have folded to a turn bet and you avoid getting checkraised by a jack. As played, I think I check behind on the river - if he didn't have you beat already, there is a good chance he does now. And if he has less than aces up, I don't know that he calls the river unless he is quite awful considering just about any hand you could have would now beat jacks up.

On hand two, it depends on the guy. Will he valuebet any two pair here? What about something like KJ with the J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]? Or would he be more prone to check anything you are beating behind? Against a player who doesn't like to miss bets, I may check-call b/c I know a bet will most likely go in whether I'm ahead or behind. Against an opponent who would not bet unless he had a set (which I beat), straight or better, I would bet and hope to get calls from hands that wouldn't check if I bet.

Jeff

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Please explain (I'm pretty new). This was a good sized pot, and it seems to me you would want to protect your hand. If the A had come on the turn instead of the river, I would have been glad I raised. Are you worried about trip jacks?

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If an A comes on the turn of course you are glad you raised the flop. Same thing if a K comes. wait, actually you would have liked a call better if the turn was a K, but i digress. What about the the rest of the deck?

Raising is not terrible, especially if anyone in the game will call 2 bets with an A or worse, or if pairs QQ and below are out. But I like calling better. You put in less when there is a jack out there, and you encourage unpaired hands to "draw". It's a big win if anyone without an Ace stays in the hand. It's actually even a win if Ace high hands draw on you as they are not getting correct odds.

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Hand 1 is a good example of great river play imo.

you read what you thought he had, what he thought you had and went to the next level to say you know he'd try to win the pot to represent the ace by c'ring you on the river and would also likely call with whatever he had till that point and would almost certainly bet an ace, and he would have likely made a move w/ a jack sooner.

the flop/turn combo are debateable but close. personally i tend to call the flop a bit more in this spot but raise w/ QQ on down.

hand 2 is well played all around. betting the river is close but i htink there's enough value there to bet/call. sure you lose to a flush but given your turn play and the fact you have the ace, even a small flush may now just call...which is a reason why the turn 3 bet is also good.

Barron

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he checks, I ponder my best move, and figure maybe his most likely holding is a PP, so I bet

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Don't "think and bet". If you're going to bet bet immediatly and you should have a plan for every card or type of card one street ahead. The worst thing that can possibly happen to anyone in a poker game is to encourage people to take shots at you. Doing long pause bet with a mediocre hand is terrible unless you have the nuts and then its stupid and showboating.

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I bet, and MP gives a little speech then says "I raise"

folds back to me, and at this point I looked back at my hand and realize I did have the A , I three-bet him, and he's not a passive player, fairly agg for this group.
He calls quick.

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Before the flop in every hand know exactly what the suits are for your cards so you don't have to look back unless you want to give off a reverse tell. Speech almost always = huge hand if not the nuts. On a board like this if someone did speech-raise to me I would expect to be up against a flush almost all the time.

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OK, I think I follow you. Thank you.

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I think I would check behind on the turn in the first hand. I want to see the showdown here, but I really don't want to have to put in 3+ BBs to do it. Having bet the turn, I would check behind on the river. Very possible that this guy has been calling you down with ace high thinking its good. I would probably fold to the checkraise but it seems like you had a good read that he was f.o.s.

Hand 2 I bet this river because I think you will get called by a lot of two pair hands that will check behind. If you get raised I just call. Hope you cleaned up this game [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Mike

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The worst thing that can possibly happen to anyone in a poker game is to encourage people to take shots at you. Doing long pause bet with a mediocre hand is terrible unless you have the nuts

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He is calling if he gets raised, so he should be happy to encourage the opponent to take a shot at him.

RESULTS
 

Hand 1 opponent showed me 67 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. He didnt table it, and nobody makes the loser flip up their hands in this game. I was sitting next to him and I saw his hand as he picked it up and checked the board to make sure he hadn't made a straight.


Hand 2
I bet, he called, he had a straight flush and didn't know it. Jc 9c.


I drop 7 BB's in as many hours, but who cares, the game was good and I just never got any traction.



Tex

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I bet, he called, he had a straight flush

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lol. see? There are retards at every limit.

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I agree with Jeff in hand 1. I don't think the way you played it is horrible but checking the river is a 2nd best play IMO.

I dissagree with Jeff in hand 2. You played the hand perfectly because a lot of times the guy will have KJ with no club and check/fold the river if a club comes. You lose the 3rd bet on the turn when he folds the river. If he semibluffs with a large club and poor pair he will check or fold the river if me misses again costing you a third bet on the turn. If he hits his club only sometimes can you get a check raise on the river. The only time you lose is if he 4 bets the turn with a worse hand (set, 2 pair) and then gets a bet or two out of you on the river when he fills up or if he has a flush, 4 bets it and you dont improve on the river. Also a lot of times he will call you on the river with a better hand (small flush) costing him as per the T.O.P. It seems you win the most this way. Anyone else agree with this. GOod job on hand 2.


Brian R.

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Too bad you didn't river a club. You show your ace-high flush, he probably mucks his straight-flush...