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eviljeff 11-27-2005 01:07 PM

one card nut flush
 
Bayou Poker 1/2 (5max, 5 handed)

I've been stealing succesfully a lot and winning pots uncontested.
Villain is directly to my left and has been folding to me a lot.

folded to me in the sb, I hold K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
I raise, villain in BB calls

flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
I bet, he calls

turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
I check/call

river: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
I check

anyone like it?

11-27-2005 01:22 PM

Re: one card nut flush
 
I see a lot of people checking this river after your turn call, so I would be inclined just to bet. I don't think he is going away.

Cancuk 11-27-2005 01:36 PM

Re: one card nut flush
 
Bet the turn, bet the river. you're missing a lot of bets. If you've been stealing a lot, he won't believe you and call down w/ his pair.


Cheers

eviljeff 11-27-2005 02:28 PM

Re: one card nut flush
 
both of you that prefer a river bet, do you c/r the turn or just bet the whole way?

xLukex 11-27-2005 02:30 PM

Re: one card nut flush
 
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Bet the turn, bet the river. you're missing a lot of bets. If you've been stealing a lot, he won't believe you and call down w/ his pair.


Cheers

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If villain is LAG I check raise the turn/lead the river. He is calling with any heart.

eviljeff 11-27-2005 02:33 PM

Re: one card nut flush
 
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If villain is LAG I check raise the turn/lead the river. He is calling with any heart.

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if villain was a LAG I think I'd just bet the turn, hoping to get raised. in fact, given my image I think I'd play it this way against anyone except a possible weak/tighty.

Monty Cantsin 11-27-2005 02:33 PM

Re: one card nut flush
 
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I've been stealing succesfully a lot and winning pots uncontested.

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Then why sandbag? This is a perfect time to bet and raise with the nuts.

I would bet this the whole way.

/mc

eviljeff 11-27-2005 02:34 PM

Re: one card nut flush
 
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I've been stealing succesfully a lot and winning pots uncontested.

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Then why sandbag?

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because of my read on him.

Cancuk 11-27-2005 02:37 PM

Re: one card nut flush
 
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Bet the turn, bet the river. you're missing a lot of bets. If you've been stealing a lot, he won't believe you and call down w/ his pair.


Cheers

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If villain is LAG I check raise the turn/lead the river. He is calling with any heart.

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I still bet, even against a Lag. Most people, lags included, want to get to showdown as cheap as possible when the four flush hits and they don't have a heart.

Also, betting out semi-disguises your hand, considering you raised PF, while a c/r will usually make any non heart fold.

11-27-2005 02:41 PM

Re: one card nut flush
 
[ QUOTE ]
Bayou Poker 1/2 (5max, 5 handed)

I've been stealing succesfully a lot and winning pots uncontested.
Villain is directly to my left and has been folding to me a lot.

folded to me in the sb, I hold K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
I raise, villain in BB calls

flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
I bet, he calls

turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
I check/call

river: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
I check

anyone like it?

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slowplaying OOP rarely works.

Monty Cantsin 11-27-2005 02:46 PM

Re: one card nut flush
 
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I've been stealing succesfully a lot and winning pots uncontested.

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Then why sandbag?

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because of my read on him.

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Your read is that he's a folder. Folders are also often check-behinders.

More importantly, I want to show him, and the rest of the table, that I bet my monsters.

/mc

eviljeff 11-27-2005 03:34 PM

Re: one card nut flush
 
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slowplaying OOP rarely works.

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this blanket statement is fairly useless to me. if you think slowplaying here is inappropriate, please explain why.

bdmcgraw 11-27-2005 04:22 PM

Re: one card nut flush
 
On the turn, you got him to bet, why don't you raise? It is certainly possible that he has an ace \ pair and will call you down due to your image. If he folds, well you might have gotten a bet out of him on the river, but he might have just been hoping you would fold the turn to his bluff anyway.

When the river comes as another heart, I think you have to bet. He probably just wants to show the board down, and I've seen people make crying calls in hopes of a split.
If you bet the river, he may even raise. Checking here is bad.

If the river had been a non heart, you might be able to go for the c/r, but this isr eally read dependent. Is he betting here without a heart? Would he raise your donk bet with a decent heart?

Without any great reads, I would bet the turn and occasionally check raise. I think I'm donking the river 99% of the time.

mtdoak 11-27-2005 11:25 PM

Re: one card nut flush
 
Donk bet this river. He's not going to bet for you with anything less than a flush Q or 9 high. He'll be hardpressed to get away from any hand if you bet here. Maybe he'll do something silly like raise you with a Q, whereas you will get 3 bets out of him. C/Ring will get you 2 max, most likley one.

Wynton 11-27-2005 11:29 PM

Re: one card nut flush
 
Don't like it. If villain is prone to folding, he's not going to bet that river (let alone call a c/r).

He is much less likely to put you on the nut flush if you just bet out each street.

And the fact that you've been stealing a lot probably means he's more likely to call lead bets on this hand.

11-27-2005 11:53 PM

Re: one card nut flush
 
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If villain is LAG I check raise the turn/lead the river. He is calling with any heart.

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if villain was a LAG I think I'd just bet the turn, hoping to get raised. in fact, given my image I think I'd play it this way against anyone except a possible weak/tighty.

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As you played it, you should have raised this turn. The c/c bites. Most villains would call the raise and then call your river bet. But to answer your other question to me, I would have probably just bet. I wouldn't want to miss any bets.


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